Ashley Madison

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Smallcock

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Well... it's been removed by YouTube.

Censorship reigns supreme.

You'd think the video was advocating hate, or showing gruesome imagery, or something along those lines. Merely having an opinion is too dangerous.
 

doggystyle99

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Well, i have two nurses in my household so I have firsthand information about what is transpiring in the hospitals. One of them worked only two shifts (24 hours) last week at one of the largest hospitals in the GTA because of lack of patients. She is up to her normal 3 shits this week. The other has been working usual shifts - no overload. Listening to the news, you would think hospitals are overflowing with patients. Not true.

One thing which is true is not enough N95 masks. I had to purchase some from one of my sources so my nurses could use them at work.
The reason our healthcare system has not been overburdened is because of proper measures our governments took by shutting down non essential businesses as well as self isolation rules. Otherwise it would be far worse.
I listen to the news and not a single one of them has mentioned anything about hospitals overflowing with patients nor presented information to make it seem such. It is your own perception.
 

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The reason our healthcare system has not been overburdened is because of proper measures our governments took by shutting down non essential businesses as well as self isolation rules. Otherwise it would be far worse.
I listen to the news and not a single one of them has mentioned anything about hospitals overflowing with patients nor presented information to make it seem such. It is your own perception.
Exactly and yes hospitals are quiet, especially in Emerg as most now fear to go in and do not go because their tummy hurts.

Just look over to Italy and see what happens when a country doesn't shut things down in time.

If you need testing you go to a COVID clinic not a hospital.

The problem is people make shit up to fit their world. Stick to the facts and listen to the expert.

Try telling Doug Ford he should open Ontario up May 1.
 

JuanGoodman

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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
Agreed 100%. This statement alone is proof that we are being fed total BS by the media and the politicians. I can understand that TERB Liberal stooges can't do simple grade 3 division and are incapable of comprehending the statement above. But how come no media person or ANY politician raise that question? It is simple math!
 

squeezer

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Agreed 100%. This statement alone is proof that we are being fed total BS by the media and the politicians. I can understand that TERB Liberal stooges can't do simple grade 3 division and are incapable of comprehending the statement above. But how come no media person or ANY politician raise that question? It is simple math!
You along with CM should run the country with your intellects.

God almighty, this explains how a bozo like Trump can get elected.
 

JuanGoodman

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You along with CM should run the country with your intellects.

God almighty, this explains how a bozo like Trump can get elected.
Yes, "FUCK TRUMP" is about as much of a statement that can be expected from TERB Liberal stooges, on any topic.

It has nothing to do with intellect, it is simple math or what some like to say "believe in science". If the number of infected people that is used to calculate the mortality rate is much smaller than the actual number of infected people, then the mortality percentage is not correct !

How can anyone disagree with that statement???

And again, yes "FUCK TRUMP" . Dimwit.
 

basketcase

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It is too early to judge them one way or the other.
It will take time to compare apples to apples....
If the infection and death rates were consistent worldwide, the measure of failure will be how many people died or suffered permanent damage from lack of medical care. If Sweden's health care system is overwhelmed then it is likely that some of the dead could have been saved (and the disparity and cost of medical care in the US will make it a failure - no matter who is in charge).

I also find it funny to see so many devout right wingers suddenly wanting to emulate one of the most socialist countries.
 

basketcase

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last year over 60,000 people died of seasonal flu 15 million were infected here was no lockdowns and social distancing
Last year the flu season was over by now. Covid is still going strong.

In Canada, the flu kills between 500 and 1500 each year. So far 2100 deaths from covid despite all the measures in place.
 

lenny2

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Last year the flu season was over by now. Covid is still going strong.

In Canada, the flu kills between 500 and 1500 each year. So far 2100 deaths from covid despite all the measures in place.
COVID-19 multiple times worse than the flu. The flu doesn't threaten to, or actually, overwhelm hospitals.
 

basketcase

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Herd immunity is being built up by the people getting infected & recovering, both in isolation with their families & those still working. As I said:....
Assuming the virus isn't too mutagenic.

How can herd immunity be established when just a tiny percentage of the population has the virus? Immunity is created through exposure
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Are you really suggesting we just go to a survival of the fittest model?

Let me try and educate you for the last time here because there is a lot of data out there now. If you are not in a nursing home, are not obese, do not have diabetes, hypertension, heart, lung or kidney disease and do not live in a crowded apartment, your risk of dying from covid-19 is very, very low to almost being non-existent. So without the economic shutdown, there would have been more deaths for sure ...
Sounds like a typical libertarian theory - until it impacts someone you know.
 

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COVID-19 multiple times worse than the flu. The flu doesn't threaten to, or actually, overwhelm hospitals.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
 

lenny2

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How can herd immunity be established when just a tiny percentage of the population has the virus? Immunity is created through exposure

The economies of other countries are not being reopened because their population has immunity. They are reopening because they know the death rate is low and there is no reason to continue the destruction of their economy. Dollars outweigh everything
Who knows what percentages of populations have immunity until they are tested. Testing a large percentage may takes months or years.

An oft repeated & widely held reason why economies were not reopened was so as not to overwhelm hospitals, resulting in many more people dying & dying needlessly. That's the reason why, almost everywhere, plans are being made to open slowly & carefully.

So the idea is to build up herd immunity very slowly.

"Do a "snap opening" of small business and see if the former clientele rush in ! It wont happen, people are social distanced conditioned, fearful and mistrusting of the government, social media and each other right now. The bodies are still going to the morgue and will be for a while yet. Open up sports events, sit ten seats apart, the athletes, some wearing masks under their football helmets etc. .....does it make sense.? Go to the restaurant or bar and have your waiter wearing a mask ? The outfielders in baseball are social distanced but what about the umpire, back catcher and batter wearing masks. It will take a lot of time to change the way things are, to get consumer confidence back to get the public to trust the government(s) again. I guess the manufacturing sector could start up again, it would provide jobs but consumer spending and tourism is halted for now."
 

lenny2

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Let me try and educate you for the last time here because there is a lot of data out there now. If you are not in a nursing home, are not obese, do not have diabetes, hypertension, heart, lung or kidney disease and do not live in a crowded apartment, your risk of dying from covid-19 is very, very low to almost being non-existent.
So about 50% of Americans, eh. Don't forget smokers, heavy drinkers, illicit drug users, etc.

So without the economic shutdown, there would have been more deaths for sure but not significantly more and hospitals would not have been overwhelmed.
Your crystal ball of alternate futures told you that? Italy has already been overwhelmed in its hospitals.

At the beginning of the outbreak, policy makers did not have any information so I can understand them erring on the side of caution. But there is no justification for continuing the economic shutdown now in Canada.
You do know plans are being made to start reopening? Manitoba just announced early May as their date.

If you still do not understand any of this, then I am afraid your level of comprehension is very low indeed.
Sorry, but these kinds of remarks are better left out.


"Do a "snap opening" of small business and see if the former clientele rush in ! It wont happen, people are social distanced conditioned, fearful and mistrusting of the government, social media and each other right now. The bodies are still going to the morgue and will be for a while yet. Open up sports events, sit ten seats apart, the athletes, some wearing masks under their football helmets etc. .....does it make sense.? Go to the restaurant or bar and have your waiter wearing a mask ? The outfielders in baseball are social distanced but what about the umpire, back catcher and batter wearing masks. It will take a lot of time to change the way things are, to get consumer confidence back to get the public to trust the government(s) again. I guess the manufacturing sector could start up again, it would provide jobs but consumer spending and tourism is halted for now."
 

lenny2

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Well said Khufu, if you take just the nursing home deaths out of the equation your looking at very small numbers. Who knows by next year this time it could be less than the common flu (approximately 3500 for 2018). I can tell you one thing when there reading history books a hundred years from now nobody will shocked by the small percentage of deaths but the trillions lost in the economy & the years it took to recover will have most people saying wtf were they thinking...
Who knows? The second wave of this virus could be more deadly by far than the first, as it was with the Spanish Flu.

As for the history books, they should note the much larger percentage that may have died without shutdown measures.

And re the economy, no one has a crystal ball that can see into the future.
 

lenny2

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That's because hospitals have shut down a lot of non-essential services to prepare for a possible flood of covid cases.
That, and it is much less likely that you are going to suffer some sort of acute injury if you aren't allowed out of your house.
i hear that road fatalities are also down, as well as car accident injuries such as children being mangled.
 
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