End the Lockdown

doggystyle99

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We have people who claim our health care system would have been overwhelmed had there been no lockdown. Yet, Iceland, Sweden, Japan and several other countries had no lockdown without their healthcare systems being overwhelmed. As a matter of fact, a conference center converted into a field hospital in Sweden has yet to be used.
Unfortunately the people who are irrational, loud and ignorant with no knowledge of the current events still don't understand

- Iceland has a population the same as Markham Ontario

- Sweden's healthcare system has not been overburdened yet, their numbers for a country of 10 Mln population is far worse than Canada. A person in Sweden is 4X more likely to die from the Coronavirus today than a person in Canada, They are close to overburdening their healthcare system and their Prime Minister is fully aware of it, knowing that at some point he might have to enforce strict isolation measures on the people.

- Japan saw a drastic increase in the number of confirmed cases and very quickly and rightly instituted a state of emergency at the beginning of this month for at least 30 days
 

shack

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Just putting it out there...WHO which most reasonable people know are full of shit pandering to CCP have stated that there is no evidence that antibodies help against covid...if that’s the case then neither would a vaccine... Vaccines work by introducing an antigen, thus stimulating the antibody response of the body. If the who now says antibodies won't combat the virus, then neither will a vaccine....they should just let us start building herd immunity already...
You are totally wrong. Antibiotics and vaccines are totally different.

A vaccine helps the body to develop antibodies in the immune system so that the host (human) does not develop the infection.

Antibiotics work directly on the infecting organism once the host is already infected. It has nothing to do with the immune system/antibodies. As well, antibiotics are usually much more effective on bacteria than viruses. You seem to be falsely making a connection between antibodies and antibiotics. You are evidently confused by the nomenclature.

Thanks for putting it out there, but you should whip it back in. Will wait for your next attempt to justify mass levels of infections and deaths.
 

squeezer

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Love reading about what all these people are saying about things should be opened up now . All of the great knowledge that they have about science and medicine . They seem to know more than the medical doctors and the scientists . What are they doing on this board . Hasn't the government called you yet for your advice .

You all must be very smart since you are scientists and medical doctors that have graduated from Trump University . All of this talk about herd immunity . You would think that our doctors and scientists would know about this . Is that what you all have read on the web .

I beg you to call Trudeau and Ford and tell them all that you know . This way we can get back to normal sooner than later .

Didn't know that we had that many specialists on viruses on Terb .

Do the country a big favor and contact the Feds . I'm sure that they will be quite happy to hear your advice .

Don't waste your time in telling us that we should open up . We can't do anything about it . Tell the people that can .

Maybe start a protests like they have in the States . Drive up and down the road waving Canadian flags . Marching down Young Street . I'm sure that you will get a lot of attention from the media or you all can stand together and hold hands and show the world how smart you all are .
LMAO, if they actually were doctors and scientists they would be essential workers earning good money right now and wouldn't be crying the blues here on Terb.
 

canada-man

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I'm sure Teejay is among those in that group. I'm with Ford on this, you guys are a bunch of yahoos.

 

canada-man

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I'm sure Teejay is among those in that group. I'm with Ford on this, you guys are a bunch of yahoos.

if you want to live under house arrest living in fear of a virus that's your business
 

G.D. Gentleman

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They are close to overburdening their healthcare system and their Prime Minister is fully aware of it, knowing that at some point he might have to enforce strict isolation measures on the people.
Do you have any news links to confirm this statement about Sweden?

Please share.
 

canada-man

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But if you want to violate provincial instructions and endanger everyone around you, that is EVERYONE'S business.
they are not law yesterday a quebec court rued that they regulations are VOLUNTARY and it is illegal for by law officers to issue tickets. take it up with them and hearings on the lockdown regulations will continue
 

apoptygma

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they are not law yesterday a quebec court rued that they regulations are VOLUNTARY and it is illegal for by law officers to issue tickets. take it up with them and hearings on the lockdown regulations will continue
Sorry dude, I live in Ontario.
And this protest was in Ontario.
And last time I checked, based on Quebec's numbers... whatever Quebec is doing, the rest of the Canada SHOULD NOT DO.
Thanks for trying though.
 

bebe

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Wow. It looked like there must have been AT LEAST a couple of dozen people there.
According to Ford they will infect tens of thousands of people with C19.

Fuck at the grocery store I have more people cross my path just to pick up a bunch of bananas since they do not want to wait 2 seconds for me to my move cart out of the way or the stupid fucking dicks can't follow the one way signs on the floor.
 

doggystyle99

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Do you have any news links to confirm this statement about Sweden?

Please share.
All of this information is out there for everyone to read if they are really interested about the facts rather than biased or propoganda videos. Here are two links.

"Stefan Lofven, Sweden's prime minister, said today that after taking a 'flexible' approach to restricting movements within its borders, the country's coronavirus measures were 'not good enough'."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ns-Austria-Denmark-begin-easing-lockdown.html

"MPs in Sweden have given the government extra powers to curb the rising COVID-19 death toll in the country. The government will be able to approve bills related to the health emergency - for examples closing businesses and schools - without having to go through parliament first."
https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/16...ovid-19-containment-as-deaths-hit-record-high

See while some few irrational, loud and ignorant people are praising what Sweden is doing as a "success" through propoganda or biased non factual videos or online here, even the Swedish prime minister has realized the method they thought was going to work is not as successful as they thought it would be.
 

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Community Anger Shuts Down Connecticut City's Plan To Use Drones for Coronavirus Monitoring

It took all of two days for a Connecticut city's plan to use drone tech to snoop on citizen behavior to make sure they're complying with coronavirus rules for an angry public to shut it down.

On Tuesday, the Westport Police Department announced it had launched a pilot project in coordination with Canadian company Draganfly to send drones hovering around the city to make sure people in public spaces were maintaining six feet of social distance.

But these drones were much more intrusive than simply looking for crowds. Draganfly's drone-mounted biometric monitoring tools are even more sinister, dystopian, and potentially abusive. The drone is able to quickly measure whether people are six feet apart from each other, and Draganfly claims it can also measure heart rate, body temperature, and other vital signs, which suggests that a drone might be able to spot potential infections from above.

Here's how Westport Police Chief Foti Koskinas promoted this "Flatten the Curve Pilot Program" in a Facebook post from Tuesday:

"Westport and its first responder network is one of the most progressive public safety advocates in the nation. They are real pioneers when it comes to adopting and integrating new technology to protect its community. This pandemic has opened up a new frontier and urgent need for the use of drones. Draganfly is the first in the U.S. to implement this state-of-the-art technology to capture and analyze data in a way that has been peer reviewed and clinically researched to save lives."

The community was not thrilled. Facebook comments under the post blasted Westport for violating the privacy of citizens. The police department took a drone out for a test run intended to show the public that it was useful. Instead, it looked creepy. They brought the drone to a Trader Joe's where customers were waiting in line to be allowed into the store to go shopping. They were socially distancing, but they weren't always perfectly six feet apart, and the drone flagged people who were waiting just slightly too close to others or who passed by other people at a distance closer than six feet.

And that was pretty much all it showed—very brief moments of people being maybe a few inches too close to each other. This was not exactly pioneering new ways of keeping people safe. But it did have the potential to violate people's privacy since its biometric analysis supposedly detects symptoms associated with COVID-19, but also any other ailment that increases a person's temperature.

Connecticut activist Michael Picard—who's been written about previously at Reason—raised the alarm about these drones. "Technology is not the be-all and end-all," he tells Reason. "How can a drone sense when someone has a fever when the difference between a normal temperature and a fever is a tenth of a degree, and how will it know the difference between coronavirus and springtime allergies? This will just subject people to pointless harassment. This is just a stepping stone. Before you know it, police departments will be weaponizing drones."

On Thursday, Westport announced it would not participate in this pilot program after all. "In our good faith effort to get ahead of the virus and potential need to manage and safely monitor crowds and social distancing in this environment, our announcement was perhaps misinterpreted, not well-received, and posed many additional questions," First Selectman Jim Marpe said. "We heard and respect your concerns, and are therefore stepping back and re-considering the full impact of the technology and its use in law enforcement protocol."

In response to the city's decision, Picard declared "a victory for the people and civil liberties, especially in a time of overreach….Using drones to surveil people will only breed mistrust, and it will cause people to be unnecessarily harassed."

The entire proposal seemed like a policing tech project looking for an excuse to exist. Westport is a town of fewer than 30,000 people, and it's absurd to think that the police would need a drone to know when large groups of people are organizing, where they're organizing, and whether they're observing social distancing guidelines. Monitoring people's biometric information, meanwhile, is not just unnecessary but invasive and likely to result in police actions that cause more harm than good.

https://reason.com/2020/04/24/commu...lan-to-use-drones-for-coronavirus-monitoring/
 

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Saskatchewan is planning to slowly reopen on May 4, they have the low numbers to support the risk they are taking. ~2 weeks after May 4 we should know if it was a good or bad decision. Ontario should wait on the data from SK before making any big moves.
 

bebe

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Saskatchewan is planning to slowly reopen on May 4, they have the low numbers to support the risk they are taking. ~2 weeks after May 4 we should know if it was a good or bad decision. Ontario should wait on the data from SK before making any big moves.
SK data not relevant at all. Need to look to Germany or France, or other countries that have Cities with a population closer to Toronto. Comparing a population of 250,000 (low # of cases) to a City of 5,000,000 (moderate # of cases) is like comparing Apples to Walnuts.
 

shack

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According to Ford they will infect tens of thousands of people with C19.
For sure. With all the interactions those few people have, many others will be affected.

The point is, is that hardly anybody felt strongly enough about the isolation that they felt compelled to demonstrate. I sure hope that c-m was there.
 
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