The Blue Jays 2019 Season
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The Jays front office has shown dogged determination in turning around the franchise, as displayed by them breaking the bank at $3.5M on a one year deal. He is only 32 years old so the Jays must feel that his best years are still ahead, despite ERAs of 4.52 and 4.94 the last two years. Surprisingly the Angels did not tender him a contract. What were they thinking?
Or on the other hand one could say that it appears the Jays have picked up yet another "never was" off the trash heap and hope they catch lightning in a bottle. He never reached the majors until age 27 and is damaged goods. It seems to be the only type of acquisition that they know how to make. I'd have preferred Willie Shoemaker and he's dead.
How can the fans support this? Will they even average 20,000 fans per game this year?
The small market Twins sign Nelson Cruz to a $14.3M 1 year deal plus an option.
Obviously, Cruz alone will not make the Jays a contender, but for the money it would put more asses in the seats and build some credibility with the fans (which they are rapidly losing) by partially justifying their ticket prices and that the money will provide some entertainment for the fans instead of just going into their pockets.
Unless they do something, this could be a 100 loss season, even with MVP Justin Smoak.:eyebrows:
Obviously, Cruz alone will not make the Jays a contender, but for the money it would put more asses in the seats and build some credibility with the fans (which they are rapidly losing) by partially justifying their ticket prices and that the money will provide some entertainment for the fans instead of just going into their pockets.
Unless they do something, this could be a 100 loss season, even with MVP Justin Smoak.:eyebrows:
The signing of Roger Clemens put no more asses in seats, I don't think Nelson Cruz would have that effect.
Didn't they still have decent attendance when Clemens came here? Was it as low as last year?
You forced me to look it up and you are correct.
2 possible factors:
1)the Jays were still averaging over 30,000 per game, so there was less room for improvement than they are facing this year
2)it is quite possible that the attendance was better on the days that he pitched
I just wish that they'd throw us a bone or two. If Minnesota can spend some money, there is no reason we can't.
Jays were averaging 30K, that leaves ~20K unsold seats for Roger's skills to fill (narrator: "he didn't fill them).
Attendance was not affected by individual signings, or who was starting on particular days.
Doc didn't put an extra 5K in the stands, nor did Roger.
You'd have to go back to FernandoMania or The Bird to find pitchers that drew exceptional crowds for their starts.
If you get all these girls of yours to be in the parade, it wouldn't matter how the Jays do.
My point, not I clearly stated it, is that spending some money and acquiring some decent players should translate into more wins. I agree that an individual player unto himself may not make a big difference but a team that can win 80 to 85 games and stay within shouting distance of a wild card spot into August will, or at least should, attract more fans than a 70 win team.
Looks like the Jays signed another all-star: https://www.cp24.com/sports/toronto...m-padres-for-canadian-minor-leaguer-1.4235469
Yup another cheapie that I would be surprised if he was any help at all. It sure won't put bums in the seats.
One of my concerns is there appear to be a lot of very good young players in the system, Vlad jr., Bichette, Cavan B, etc. plus the youngsters that came up late last year. You need some experienced players that know how to win on the team. These kids need leadership from experienced veterans that have rings or at the very least competed for a ring. The additions to date have been, at best, disappointing.
If/when they bring Vlad jr up, who on the current Jays roster will protect him in the line up? Once veteran pitchers see the line up, he should not get anything to hit.
Shack, IMO is spot on!
You guys are just brutal and harsh, but I can appreciate and value your opinion on the team. However, you must realize that BJ have a very strong farm team and the management team were able to rebuild it fairly quickly after AA depleted the farm to build a contending team for 2015 and 2016. Nonetheless, in my opinion it was 2 great years and I wish that they had acquired Zobist for Tellez and Im almost certain that they Jays would had gone all the way with Zobist in 2015.
Again, Blue Jays have the top farm in the league and I anticipate that BJ will strongly contend and beyond in 2020 or 2021. These guys know what they are doing and frankly look at the track record from Boston Red Sox who won 3 WS under Ben Cherington by developing home grown talent and even winning the WS this year is a great example. Mookie Betts, Jackie Bradley Jr., Xander Bogaerts, Andrew Benintendi, Christian Vazquez, Blake Swihart, and Matt Barnes are all home grown talent for Boston.
We are very fortunate to have Ben Cherington at the helm along with Atkins and Shapiro. Your views upon the team are short sighted rather than looking ahead which is a very bright future for Toronto and we have the best prospect talent depth in MLB. It's perfectly natural to want the result now, but be patience and it will all pay off with all of the young talent coming up in the near future.
Again, Blue Jays have the top farm in the league and I anticipate that BJ will strongly contend and beyond in 2020 or 2021. These guys know what they are doing and frankly look at the track record from Boston Red Sox who won 3 WS under Ben Cherington by developing home grown talent and even winning the WS this year is a great example. Mookie Betts, Jackie Bradley Jr., Xander Bogaerts, Andrew Benintendi, Christian Vazquez, Blake Swihart, and Matt Barnes are all home grown talent for Boston.
We are very fortunate to have Ben Cherington at the helm along with Atkins and Shapiro. Your views upon the team are short sighted rather than looking ahead which is a very bright future for Toronto and we have the best prospect talent depth in MLB. It's perfectly natural to want the result now, but be patience and it will all pay off with all of the young talent coming up in the near future.
Forget the stats. You guys are missing the key to this trade.
The Jays are getting some cash. What else could matter more?
Agreed. Not a lot of sense spending money until 2020 at least. 2019 will be interesting to see how Vlad gets on plus a whole lot of other developing talent.
I think that timeline is somewhat optimistic. IF, they make mostly good moves and everybody develops as desired and become competitive by 2021 or 2022 that is 6-7 years for shapeero at the helm. Hardly a short timeline for a team that was very close to making the WS two years in a row.
Rebuilding a farm team is not so difficult if you have a good scouting and development staff, which AA had. But I believe that Shapeero felt the need to replace a lot of them with his Cleveland yes men. He couldn't stand having anything that AA could have been given credit for. He also dumped most of the Canadians in the organization who were proud to work for their home team and understood the market.
Farm teams and prospects are renewable resources that can be restocked very quickly. How many rounds do they draft each year? 40 is the answer. So in 4 drafts, that is 160 players. Even if only 25% are decent, that is 40 good players to work with in the farm system. And if only 2 a year are really good (5%), that is 8 MLB players, 1/3 of a roster. So restocking is not that difficult with good scouting and development and AA knew it.
And who did AA give away that turned into a significant MLB player aside from Syndegaard and possibly Hechaverria? So he basically depleted the farm of players who weren't going to do anything and got serious players who got us close for 2 years, gave us thrills that we hadn't had for years, the city was abuzz and made Rogers a bundle of money. My god, it's taken shapeero 3 years just to dismantle the team, all the while giving us a moribund team with nothing to cheer for and losing probably about $100M just this past season, by having the largest attendance decrease in all of MLB. And believe me, the attendance ain't going up this year.
I fail to see how anyone can endorse what shapeero has done. Damn right the criticism is harsh and IMO, deservedly so. He has failed the fans of this city/country and Rogers as well.
Maybe you should be a little more even handed in your assessment of how Boston built their team. You mentioned the home grown talent and there are some good ones. But how about the tiiiny bit of reinforcements they brought in the last several years such as, Hanley Ramirez, Rick Porcello, Craig Kimbrel, David Price, Drew Pomeranz, Chris Sale, Mitch Moreland, J.D. Martinez, Pablo Sandoval (he didn't work out but they made the effort to get him and then spent money to correct their mistake), Eduardo Nunez. TBH, the home grown talent, even with Betts, pales in comparison to their acquisitions. Without those acquisitions the Sox are battling the Orioles and the Jays in the standings if they operated like shapeero, only using their cheap homegrown talent. As was pointed out above there has to be some winning veterans in the mix as well. shapeero has acquired not one fucking single player of that type.
That is how a big market team operates and I'd be willing to bet that Rogers has a lot more money than the owners of the Sox. No way the fans of Boston would tolerate shapeero working that way. There'd be a revolt. I cannot fathom how guys like you can not just give him a pass but say that he's doing a good job and knows what he's doing.
They will spend money and get some good vets when vlad and company have a year under their belts. You have to remember, Atkins only has about two years left to make something happen, so he'll be all in year 2020.
Is that a certainty or a hope? In the Star today, Richard Griffin said the next few years will be miserable. That means 7 years from when they inherited a solid playoff team until they get some vets. The better part of a decade.
Maybe it is just my opinion, but I find that unacceptable.
That would actually only make it 6 years. If by next year, the team has lot's of promise, and lot's of salary room coming up, my guess if they give him that 6 year to complete the plan. 2021 will be year 6 for him.
