The Blue Jays 2019 Season

[gcostanza]

Huh???

I think what you're trying to say is the Jays are dead with or without Tulo, right???

You are incorrect.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You are incorrect

Georgie.......I'm pretty hammered on rum spiked eggnog, so please tell where I'm wrong.


Just so you guys know, I know I'm wrong.......LOL.

But I bring along the hotties .....vvvvvvvvvvvv :biggrin:

 

[Ref]

Bingo! You and i always speaking the same language. I’ll post vids of some of his clutch HR’s in the play offs.

Right move at the right time.

His presence also put another big bat in a solid lineup and did not allow the pitchers to pitch around the man proceeding him. Mind you, had they realized he left a good chunk of his hitting in Colorado, they would have approached the line up differently.

I believe at the time that Reyes was doing a Steve Sax impersonation and they needed to shore up that position.

Overall it was a good gamble as they came very close to winning it all in 2015 and at least an outside shot at 2016. After 20 plus years of mediocrity, it gave fans 2 plus years of hope and fun.

 

[black booty lover]

His presence also put another big bat in a solid lineup and did not allow the pitchers to pitch around the man proceeding him. Mind you, had they realized he left a good chunk of his hitting in Colorado, they would have approached the line up differently.

I believe at the time that Reyes was doing a Steve Sax impersonation and they needed to shore up that position.

Overall it was a good gamble as they came very close to winning it all in 2015 and at least an outside shot at 2016. After 20 plus years of mediocrity, it gave fans 2 plus years of hope and fun.

Yeah I mean there's no question it kind of sucks that we had to eat the last two years of his contract, but it was a good move at the time.

 

[Ref]

Yeah I mean there's no question it kind of sucks that we had to eat the last two years of his contract, but it was a good move at the time.

Yes, but we are not the first team to eat a contract and will not be the last. It should not prevent a big market team like Toronto from putting a quality product on the field.

 

[thailover]

Plain & simple——we are not a big market team with Rogers ownership
We should be and could be with new ownership and the tv rights hitting the open market with a fan base of 36 million(Canada’s team),but until then we are a mid market team (8th-17th) who have ex-small market individuals in executive positions.

 

[Ref]

Plain & simple——we are not a big market team with Rogers ownership
We should be and could be with new ownership and the tv rights hitting the open market with a fan base of 36 million(Canada’s team),but until then we are a mid market team (8th-17th) who have ex-small market individuals in executive positions.

We are a big market and the numbers cannot change that fact.

I do agree that the operation is being managed as if they are a small - mid market team.

This strategy does not make sense as they are missing out on revenue that could be easily be realized.

An example is the Ontario hockey market over the last 50 years.

The Leafs have always been a big market team because they have a strong fan base that stretches not only across the province, but across the country. During the Harold Ballard years they were run like a small - mid market and never took advantage of the revenue potential a winning team would bring (though they were profitable, they could have been much, much more profitable).

When Ottawa entered the NHL they have been a small - mid market team and have been operated as such an entity.

Same province, but two distinct business models. The larger fish should be able to take advantage of the smaller fish. Yes the NHL has a cap on the main team, but the Leaf organization has much more money to invest in their minor league and scouting systems - Hence they can take advantage of that added revenue and give themselves a better shot of being a contender year over year.

 

[Dawgger]

We are a big market and the numbers cannot change that fact.

I do agree that the operation is being managed as if they are a small - mid market team.

This strategy does not make sense as they are missing out on revenue that could be easily be realized.

An example is the Ontario hockey market over the last 50 years.

The Leafs have always been a big market team because they have a strong fan base that stretches not only across the province, but across the country. During the Harold Ballard years they were run like a small - mid market and never took advantage of the revenue potential a winning team would bring (though they were profitable, they could have been much, much more profitable).

When Ottawa entered the NHL they have been a small - mid market team and have been operated as such an entity.

Same province, but two distinct business models. The larger fish should be able to take advantage of the smaller fish. Yes the NHL has a cap on the main team, but the Leaf organization has much more money to invest in their minor league and scouting systems - Hence they can take advantage of that added revenue and give themselves a better shot of being a contender year over year.

Ref I think you are pretty much spot on. The current management team came from Cleveland, and it looks as if they believe Toronto is Cleveland North. My understanding is Rogers did not stop the previous management team from spending money and I would be surprised if they have limited this groups' spending. It appears they want to clean house and get their own group of management, coaches and players in place. If that is the case it could be a while before there is a competitive team on the field.

 

[shack]

We are a big market and the numbers cannot change that fact.

I do agree that the operation is being managed as if they are a small - mid market team.

This strategy does not make sense as they are missing out on revenue that could be easily be realized.

An example is the Ontario hockey market over the last 50 years.

The Leafs have always been a big market team because they have a strong fan base that stretches not only across the province, but across the country. During the Harold Ballard years they were run like a small - mid market and never took advantage of the revenue potential a winning team would bring (though they were profitable, they could have been much, much more profitable).

When Ottawa entered the NHL they have been a small - mid market team and have been operated as such an entity.

Same province, but two distinct business models. The larger fish should be able to take advantage of the smaller fish. Yes the NHL has a cap on the main team, but the Leaf organization has much more money to invest in their minor league and scouting systems - Hence they can take advantage of that added revenue and give themselves a better shot of being a contender year over year.

I deleted my post after reading yours. Funny enough, I had also used the Harold Ballard comparison.

Well articulated. Glad I am finally getting some help. It can be exhausting educating people.

 

[Ref]

Jays talking to Padres about dealing Stroman for some prospects.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-blue-jays-padres-engaged-marcus-stroman-trade-talks/

Rumor has it that they are the 7th and 8th ranked pitching prospects in the Padre system. I think it is a good idea to trade Stroman, but the deal should at least include a #1 pitching prospect plus others. After all, SD is getting an MLB starter.

 

[shack]

Jays talking to Padres about dealing Stroman for some prospects.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-blue-jays-padres-engaged-marcus-stroman-trade-talks/

Rumor has it that they are the 7th and 8th ranked pitching prospects in the Padre system. I think it is a good idea to trade Stroman, but the deal should at least include a #1 pitching prospect plus others. After all, SD is getting an MLB starter.

7th or 8th in their system, 31 teams, means these guys are maybe somewhere between 200-300th best of MLB pitching prospects. And that is only if the Jays are lucky.

But don't forget, dumping Stroman for crap means that shapeero continues to lower payroll. What could be better for a Jays fan? Let's all buy tickets to see Jays, not only lose, but do it with less cost to them. I sure hope that they are raising ticket prices for the honour of us being able to witness it firsthand.

 

[shack]

Such a trade should be conditional. If Stroman does x IE make all star , then Padres have to compensate with y.

While he was a total loser last year, he has been a quality pitcher and he may come back to form. Trading him for virtually nothing seems riduculous. But trading him.does not . I think it is save to assume no playoff run for at least two years so think two years from now.

Are such compendation trades ever done?

I am pretty sure that I have heard of conditional trades.

As to your earlier point, I agree that even with his struggles of late Stroman still has a lot of upside potential. Most likely, more than those two guys from SD (not that I know anything about them) combined.

 

[black booty lover]

Plain & simple——we are not a big market team with Rogers ownership
We should be and could be with new ownership and the tv rights hitting the open market with a fan base of 36 million(Canada’s team),but until then we are a mid market team (8th-17th) who have ex-small market individuals in executive positions.

Regardless of the metrics, these two get 5 years to put a winner on the field. That's pretty much the norm. This is year 4 for them. (or if you believe what Shaprio is saying it's Atkins ass on line as it's his team). If they don't show signs of making the play offs by 2020, his ass should be shown the door.

 

[thailover]

Should be shown the door,but the powers that be higher than Shapiro and the ones at head office with a directive from Ed himself this race to the bottom economics is exactly what ED wants .

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The Sun hints that Stro might be traded. And one thing I agree with is it doesn't look like we're going to have a contender until at least 3 to 4 years from now:

https://torontosun.com/sports/baseball/buffery-trading-stroman-would-be-the-right-move-for-all-sides

 

[shack]

The Sun hints that Stro might be traded. And one thing I agree with is it doesn't look like we're going to have a contender until at least 3 to 4 years from now:

So only 7 years from when he took over a playoff team. Impressive.

 

[black booty lover]

The Sun hints that Stro might be traded. And one thing I agree with is it doesn't look like we're going to have a contender until at least 3 to 4 years from now:

https://torontosun.com/sports/baseball/buffery-trading-stroman-would-be-the-right-move-for-all-sides

Dude, your waaaay overestimating this. They'll competitive in two years.

 

[bluecolt]

Yes, but we are not the first team to eat a contract and will not be the last. It should not prevent a big market team like Toronto from putting a quality product on the field.

At least the Jays don't have a Bobby Bonilla type of contract. The Mets are going to give him $1,193,248.20 on July 1, 2019 and every year thereafter until 2035. Not bad for a guy who hasn't played for 6,288 days (my calculation).When the Mets owed him $5.9 million in 2000 and didn't want to pay him, his agent, Dennis Gilbert, a former insurance agent, worked out a payout based on an 8% interest factor. Hence, starting from 2000, Bonilla would be paid $29.8 million in annual instalments of $1,193,248.20, similar to the deal the Mets gave Darryl Strawberry.

Granted, it's not bad in 2018 terms, but in 2000, Strawberry and Bonilla really cleaned out the Mets big time. Bonilla is 55 years old and is still on the Mets' payroll. I can now understand why Pat Gillick and Gord Ash abhorred contracts exceeding four years.

 

[black booty lover]

iI can now understand why Pat Gillick and Gord Ash abhorred contracts exceeding four years.

I believe Dave Stieb was finally stopped being paid by the Blue Jays in 2015

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

At least the Jays don't have a Bobby Bonilla type of contract. The Mets are going to give him $1,193,248.20 on July 1, 2019 and every year thereafter until 2035. Not bad for a guy who hasn't played for 6,288 days (my calculation).When the Mets owed him $5.9 million in 2000 and didn't want to pay him, his agent, Dennis Gilbert, a former insurance agent, worked out a payout based on an 8% interest factor. Hence, starting from 2000, Bonilla would be paid $29.8 million in annual instalments of $1,193,248.20, similar to the deal the Mets gave Darryl Strawberry.

Granted, it's not bad in 2018 terms, but in 2000, Strawberry and Bonilla really cleaned out the Mets big time. Bonilla is 55 years old and is still on the Mets' payroll. I can now understand why Pat Gillick and Gord Ash abhorred contracts exceeding four years.

The problem is very few superstars will now take a contract that's 4 years or less, unless they are over the hill