I think charging connections will become STANDARD in parking lots. And some people will get that free as a frill, just like some people get gym memberships and other perks, while other people will pay for it when they check out of the lot.Maybe some nice Silicon Valley businesses. But do you think this? Most employees don't get Free parking unless it's outdoor and in the suburbs. So do you think all those private and public parking areas in the core are going to but in charging stations, the electrical infrastructure to service them, the liability insurance(yes that will be needed) and pay for the hydro?
Most people out there aren't getting raises. And you think they will spend on this?
Seriously you are living in a bubble if you think that is a viable option.
Go ahead. Ask every service employees you know. Every lower level worker(you know, the Majority of the population), every small business owner, every parking lot owner, every factory owner, every highrise property manager.......
Ask them if they will spend the 6,000 per for base installation(look it up) in a parking garage. Let alone outdoor usage.
And then eat the cost of charging for life.
That's a hell of a daily commute. I thought I had a long drive @ 30 km each way.So at 346 kms on a charge (and that's best case scenario), for a trip from Toronto to Montreal, you'd have to leave fully charged, charge half way there, then charge again once you arrive. How convenient for a $35-40K car!
And how does one charge an electric vehicle if you only have street parking?
For Teslas it's 8 years. Kia is 10 years. BMW, 15 years.Anybody know what the average battery warranty on electric cars is ?
I was talking about using a EVs (not hybrids) for long trips. Daily commutes where you're able to charge at home and work, makes sense. But not if you occasionally or regularly take 300-400 km trips.That's a hell of a daily commute. I thought I had a long drive @ 30 km each way.
And charging was already :deadhorse: a few pages back.
Warranties are funny things with pages of fine print. At what point do they "replace" your battery? When the distance on a full charge drops to 75%? 50%? 10? Or does it have to stop working completely?For Teslas it's 8 years. Kia is 10 years. BMW, 15 years.
With people who are in nice houses that have a place for a charging station.I think charging connections will become STANDARD in parking lots. And some people will get that free as a frill, just like some people get gym memberships and other perks, while other people will pay for it when they check out of the lot.
Here's the thing -- it's insanely convenient -- never having to go to the gas station, because your car "fills up" while it's parked at home or work. Even if you do end up paying the bill, it's a huge savings of your time. And THAT's what's going to sell people. Plus, when a car runs on electric, it's totally quiet. And it accelerates faster than a gas car. All these things are going to appeal to people.
Now my friend has an e-tron which means it's a hybrid, so he can go drive that cross-country if he wants, and fill up at gas stations. But most of the time, he never has to use gas at all. Going to and from work, getting groceries, and usual errands -- all that fits into what he can get out of charging up at work. And yeah, he's getting the power free for now and maybe that won't last -- but he NEVER goes to the gas station, unless he takes a weekend road trip or something.
I think that's going to catch on with a lot of people.
You don't need a charging station, though they certainly charge up faster. You really just need a regular 120v outlet. Particularly if it's your home and the car is likely to sit there charging for eight to twelve hours.With people who are in nice houses that have a place for a charging station.
It's going to happen faster than you think. Those installations are going to get mass produced and become cheap and more and more people are going to demand them. First you see regular 120v outlets present (which is what my friend uses to charge his Audi at work). Fast charging will come later but it will come.But as has been said. No parking? On street parking? Apartment buildings? Condo's? Apartments above stores? Basement apartments? Installation is anywhere from up to 9 thousand per station I've seen with installation costs.
I agree with you and GB. It's a toy for the rich. (My workplace neighbour is a waste management company and they have a charging station for a guy who drives a Tesla).Maybe some nice Silicon Valley businesses. But do you think this? Most employees don't get Free parking unless it's outdoor and in the suburbs. So do you think all those private and public parking areas in the core are going to but in charging stations, the electrical infrastructure to service them, the liability insurance(yes that will be needed) and pay for the hydro?
Most people out there aren't getting raises. And you think they will spend on this?
Seriously you are living in a bubble if you think that is a viable option.
Go ahead. Ask every service employees you know. Every lower level worker(you know, the Majority of the population), every small business owner, every parking lot owner, every factory owner, every highrise property manager.......
Ask them if they will spend the 6,000 per for base installation(look it up) in a parking garage. Let alone outdoor usage.
And then eat the cost of charging for life.
True too. The rich are TOFTTing right now. Hopefully prices will come down and charging stations deployed.It is true...no matter how much people focus on the negatives and the road blocks and post those negatives on internet message boards, EV's are coming and sooner than you think.
This will be one of those sea changes.
The car replaced the horse.
The P.C. replaced bookkeepers
ATM's replaced tellers
Digital cameras replaced photo printers
I suspect most of those rich owners are producing moreTrue too. The rich are TOFTTing right now. Hopefully prices will come down and charging stations deployed.
True too.I suspect most of those rich owners are producing more
carbon dioxide than us ordinary folks from driving their
backup gas guzzlers. And don't forget they are TOFTTing
at the expense of taxpayers through government subsidies
of the purchase of their trophies.
Your ICE car has a battery. Everything around you is running on electricity. Everything around you that moves has an electric motor. It's not some secret arcane science fiction energy form that is and always wilt be inaccessible.I was talking about using a EVs (not hybrids) for long trips. Daily commutes where you're able to charge at home and work, makes sense. But not if you occasionally or regularly take 300-400 km trips.
Please explain how people with street parking, which often doesn't allow them to park near their house or even on the same side of the street, supposed to charge their vehicles. And how long before apartment buildings and condos have available outlets available? Maybe years down the road, but not practical for the masses. Again, look at the current sales figures for 100% EVs in Canada.
Warranties are funny things with pages of fine print. At what point do they "replace" your battery? When the distance on a full charge drops to 75%? 50%? 10? Or does it have to stop working completely?
We all know battery life can decrease significantly over time. The same thing doesn't happen with gasoline engines.
Problem is,...that can only happen once for the Tesla,...it blew its load making that run.Watch Top Gear as Rory in his Tesla Model X destroys a Dodge Challenger Hellcat. Absolutely destroys it.
https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tgtv-s23-rory-reid-tesla-model-x
Fun stuff starts about 4:40.