Trump up 34% in early Florida voting

[Butler1000]

Um. As everyone knows I really dislike Hillary.

But this story was from before the Conventions. If you look on the bottom right of the screen you will see a countdown clock. For Super Tuesday Three. These voters may be for the primaries and not the Election.

A lot has happened since then. I think he did pick up some Reagan Democrats. But this story is too old to be really relevant.

 

[shack]

That was an interesting video. Since the debates, I've not been able to watch 10min of CNN.

Its like every person on any panel will find positive about Hillary talking to a few people on a plane, but Trump talking to a massive gathering, just gets smirks, pokes, and head shakes from their journalists.

He brings it all upon himself.

Yesterday he speaks at the reverential Gettysburg, trying to invoke memories of Lincoln and give as yet undeclared specifics of his policies, and instead, all he talks about is how he is going to sue his female accusers.

Seriously, he is scum, respects no one except himself and his pocketbook, is dividing the country, and on and on and on.

How can anyone with a modicum of objectivity and decency support such a vile creature? The only reason the media can speak so poorly of him is that he keeps giving them all the ammunition they need. And every day he gives them more and more. All he does is alienate people. He is reaping what he has sown.

 

[fuji]

If they didn't keep coming out of the woodwork, he wouldn't have to. I'm happy he is suggesting to sue them, and hope he does follow through.
Are these 'allegations' ripping open a blouse? Cornering and making advances? Basically a true predator? No

Read some of them "His hand brushed the side of my breast".. Maybe it was a simple hug. Others are a kiss?
To many that's a very common greeting and coming from a celebrity could be seen as highly flattering.

Be unbiased, and tell me nothing is the least bit greasy to you, Karena Virginia having had a 'brushed side breast' back in 1998 comes forward now? Like most, they are coming forward with very old events, of course nobody saw anything. How would you feel and react if running for office, and women from 10yrs ago made allegations you 'kissed' without permission?

Many woman also know Trump is very wealthy. How many have made unwanted advances toward him? I'm sure its happened far more than these recent woman seeking 10min fame.



I'm very objective. I do see flaw, but don't see a shred of truth to those allegations.

This man has a beautiful and intelligent family. His oldest kids are not spoiled brats, but rather thriving in business.
He employs tens of thousands of Americans, which in turn is putting food on the tables, and making a home for a huge number of people. He pays many taxes, those who work for him the same. Plus, the amazing things he has built.
Vile is not how I describe a man who does so much for his family and America. We just differ on that.

He isn't facing allegations of VIOLENT sexual assault, just unwanted touching. A common theme is that he abruptly groped them and tried to kiss them, but did not physically prevent them from breaking free and leaving.

Note that this is EXACTLY what he bragged about doing on the video tape, and it lines up with what the women claim he did. He assumes that women will "let him" grab them by the pussy because he is a star. Probably some women do--but these are women who didn't.

And it's sexual assault. Just because it isn't violent and doesn't add up to rape doesn't mean he's innocent.

As for why now: it is s fairly minor assault and he is a fairly powerful billionaire, I guess most of them just figured it wasn't worth pursuing until he tried to become president.

I have no doubt that people from the Clinton campaign had a role in tracking them down and encouraging them to come forward, but so what? Trump people are certainly digging into Clinton's past as well, he even held a news conference with all the women who had made allegations against Bill.

 

[basketcase]

I...

I'm very objective. I do see flaw, but don't see a shred of truth to those allegations. ....

The allegations of him wandering around the changerooms at Miss Universe are substantiated by him bragging about walking in on naked women because he was the boss. That's creepy enough.

 

[bver_hunter]

Fuji, I mean this as a pure compliment to you. What I put in bold, I know deep down, you are far too intelligent to read that aloud, and believe it.

Trump did not start running for President this past month, so throw out the window "They waited till he tried to become President".
You also answered what is probably a truth in that the girls didn't feel it was worth perusing at the time because in truth.. it was no big deal then, and its still not now.

But you do speak full truth acknowledging the Clintons had a role in these women coming forward. It reeks to high heaven these woman wait over a decade to come out, and some are now crying on camera. One I now had past acting experience. I've read others are have sketchy situations or reasons to be anti-Trump, or a sudden need for spotlight.

Its a poor tactic because its too obvious. One woman coming forward a year ago, I'd have taken serious.

So would you say the same to WikiLeaks? Why did they have to wait until this very crucial time to publicise the information.
Trump is not an innocent and honest man. Still think that there will be more accusations and in fact some civil lawsuits. Trump is bragging about how he will sue these women when he becomes President.

 

[fuji]

Fuji, I mean this as a pure compliment to you. What I put in bold, I know deep down, you are far too intelligent to read that aloud, and believe it.

Trump did not start running for President this past month, so throw out the window "They waited till he tried to become President".
You also answered what is probably a truth in that the girls didn't feel it was worth perusing at the time because in truth.. it was no big deal then, and its still not now.

But you do speak full truth acknowledging the Clintons had a role in these women coming forward. It reeks to high heaven these woman wait over a decade to come out, and some are now crying on camera. One I now had past acting experience. I've read others are have sketchy situations or reasons to be anti-Trump, or a sudden need for spotlight.

Its a poor tactic because its too obvious. One woman coming forward a year ago, I'd have taken serious.

I have no doubt that the TIMING of their announcement was orchestrated. The pieces fell together perfectly: first Clinton baited Trump into making ugly comments about women in the first debate. She brought it up out of nowhere and it seemed odd, but Trump swallowed the hook and ran with it.

Then the tape comes out just before the second debate.

Then just as the final debate is coming these women parade out to say Trump did to them what he said he does in the tape.

That was absolutely devastating timing, it kept him on the defensive the whole time, and I have no doubt that the Clinton campaign had it planned and scripted from the beginning. In the first debate Clinton baited him the way she did about Machado because she KNEW what was coming in the following weeks.

But that's what campaigns do: orchestrate. That is how you play the game.

I'm guessing the campaign was in touch with some of these women ever since Trump was in the Republican primaries, and worked with them to plan the timing of their statements. They were either found by Democrat private investigators or they approached the campaign. Others would have started coming forward once they saw they weren't alone and that the public would believe them.

None of that invalidates what they said, and it really does seem like Trump is guilty. He literally was caught bragging about doing EXACTLY what a dozen women say he did.

The fact that the Clinton campaign managed the timing of the statements to inflict maximum damage is just politics.

 

[basketcase]

Again, this is an allegation. But if remotely true....

That he was previously on Howard Stern bragging about. Yes, he admitted he is a creep who happily went to check out naked women because he was the boss.

"Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I'll go backstage and everyone's getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it," Trump said. "You know, I'm inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good."
"You know, the dresses. 'Is everyone okay?' You know, they're standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody okay?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good," he added.”
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html

 

[AK-47]

That he was previously on Howard Stern bragging about. Yes, he admitted he is a creep who happily went to check out naked women because he was the boss.

"Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I'll go backstage and everyone's getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it," Trump said. "You know, I'm inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good."
"You know, the dresses. 'Is everyone okay?' You know, they're standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody okay?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good," he added.”
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html

Yeah gee, thats kind of what those girls do in those pageants, dress up in swimsuits and stuff.

Also, can I remind you what kind of message board you're currently on??

 

[Frankfooter]

Yeah gee, thats kind of what those girls do in those pageants, dress up in swimsuits and stuff.

Also, can I remind you what kind of message board you're currently on??

You still don't understand the idea of consent, do you?

 

[Bud Plug]

You still don't understand the idea of consent, do you?

Says the faux legal scholar.

 

[Frankfooter]

Says the faux legal scholar.

You don't need to be a legal scholar to understand that no consent = assault.

 

[Bud Plug]

You don't need to be a legal scholar to understand that no consent = assault.

You do need to be a legal scholar to understand how the courts are defining consent.

 

[Frankfooter]

You do need to be a legal scholar to understand how the courts are defining consent.

No, you just have to be a gentleman.

 

[AK-47]

You still don't understand the idea of consent, do you?

Where is the proof these pageant women did not consent??

 

[Bud Plug]

No, you just have to be a gentleman.

One of your silliest. "Gentlemanliness" is not one of the criteria for the selection of judges, nor is it one of the legal principles applied by the courts when developing case law to govern ill defined legal concepts (like consent in the context of sexual interactions). Did that help you to understand the law better? Probably not.

If you were counting on an appointment to the bench based on your gentlemanliness, you'll be disappointed on at least a couple of counts.

But most of all, thank goodness for people like you Frank, or I'd be out of business!

 

[Frankfooter]

One of your silliest. "Gentlemanliness" is not one of the criteria for the selection of judges, nor is it one of the legal principles applied by the courts when developing case law to govern ill defined legal concepts (like consent in the context of sexual interactions). Did that help you to understand the law better? Probably not.

If you were counting on an appointment to the bench based on your gentlemanliness, you'll be disappointed on at least a couple of counts.

But most of all, thank goodness for people like you Frank, or I'd be out of business!

While I'm honoured you think me eligible for the bench, the discussion we were having was on whether a decent human being can understand the concept of consent.

I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with this concept, I really do feel for the women in your life.

 

[Frankfooter]

Where is the proof these pageant women did not consent??

10 of them have stated that Trump engaged in the exact same type of behaviour he bragged about on video, which was that he could get away with assault without consent.

 

[AK-47]

10 of them have stated that Trump engaged in the exact same type of behaviour he bragged about on video, which was that he could get away with assault without consent

And the other few hundred (or thousand) contestants?? You know there's a lot more than 10 participants, right??

And how do you know these accusations arent politically motivated??

 

[Bud Plug]

While I'm honoured you think me eligible for the bench, the discussion we were having was on whether a decent human being can understand the concept of consent.

I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with this concept, I really do feel for the women in your life.

Frank, I KNOW you're not eligible for the bench. It's you who appears to have some delusions to the contrary.

I've never had such an issue with any woman in my life. I can, however, understand how it could be possible for some perfectly gentlemanly men to face that issue.

On the other hand, I would think that this specific issue is nowhere close to the significance of the problems that the women in your life would have to contend with.

Lastly, based on your posting history here, I sincerely doubt your claimed empathy for women, or for anyone else.

 

[fuji]

Frank, I KNOW you're not eligible for the bench. It's you who appears to have some delusions to the contrary.

I've never had such an issue with any woman in my life. I can, however, understand how it could be possible for some perfectly gentlemanly men to face that issue.

On the other hand, I would think that this specific issue is nowhere close to the significance of the problems that the women in your life would have to contend with.

Lastly, based on your posting history here, I sincerely doubt your claimed empathy for women, or for anyone else.

The behavior Trump bragged about doing is sexual assault. Exactly what these women accuse him of.