If it were only one accusation I'd be there with you. Two, maybe.
But with 11 women now accusing Trump of doing what he bragged he does on video, it really does look like Trump is not innocent.
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But with 11 women now accusing Trump of doing what he bragged he does on video, it really does look like Trump is not innocent.
Trump will disclose his tax returns when Hitlery turns in those 30,000 deleted emails
Lol... thank you, I love the attempt at deflecting the blame as usual. I have no problem calling for Hilary to turn in those emails.
Kathleen, according to his son, they pay taxes, so why continue to hide their tax returns?
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No, Wikileaks is releasing emails that are fact and are not being disputed by Hilary. Trump's miraculously suddenly appearing accusers have no proof, just accusations that anyone anywhere could make up against anyone anywhere. If they were true they wouldn't have waited years to come forward. So you are trying to compare fact vs accusations. And accusations that anyone with a brain can see right through.
The trumped up accusations against Trump are Hilary's response to Wikileaks, the timing coming whenever Wikileaks releases more damaging emails. Deflection tactic to the highest degree. But America is just not that stupid, Hilary cannot buy off the whole country.
Trump had been caught lying soooo many times, why should anybody believe him?
If it were her word against his sure. But it's not.
It's Trump's own word caught on tape plus the word of a dozen women against... Trump's word? Plus we know he creeped at the Miss America pageant.
Guilty.
That's not how it works. This is an election. Not a criminal trial. The onus is on him to prove he's worthy of the job.
Voters have no choice but to base their vote on the balance of probabilities taken together with all the other facts.
You can't say that voters should ignore the serious stain on his character and the possibility that he will wind up in jail as a registered sex offender before his term is up.
Its not really a deflection, why should trump have to turn over his tax records (something he's NOT required to do by law btw), but Hiltery gets a free pass on her classified emails?? Thats not fair
Right now approximately half the country believes him (and will vote for him).
You're just like oldjones, you didnt learn a damn thing from Ghomeshi trial did you??
You probably think he's still guilty, dont you fuji??
1. The audit excuse is a lie. Its been established a long time ago that there is no legal reason to hold back the taxes.
2. He is running for the President of his country not a kindergarten class. So the tactic of holding his breath until he gets what he wants, is completely unacceptable.
3. He was the guy who.championed the "Obama needs to show his birth cirtificate".
1. While it is not against the law to show someone your tax returns when they are pending an audit, there are plenty of good reasons not to do so (the best of those being to avoid exposing the return to the scrutiny of a thousand DNC auditors, rather than just a couple of dozen IRS auditors). Further, even if they were produced, the public couldn't rely upon the returns as accurate until the IRS demanded whatever reassesments they will demand as a consequence of the audit, and those matters were resolved. These are not legal prohibitions against releasing the returns, but they are reasons based in law. Any tax lawyer would advise against publicly releasing your returns in these circumstances. This is the distinction that the Clinton campaign consistently fudges with their statements, and the Trump campaign lacks the subtlety to clarify.
2. It isn't Trump who is owed the 33,000 deleted e-mails, it is Congress, and therefore the American people. She was required to produce them to Congress by law (subpoena). The only reason the person who deleted them (and the person who directed him to do so) is not in prison is that the DOJ of the Obama administration, on the recommendation of the FBI, gave immunity to the Clinton minion who deleted them. It's beginning to look like the reason that happened is that Obama himself knew of the private server and did nothing about it (disclosed via the WikiLeaks Podesta e-mails). The only way this investigation into contempt of Congress will not go forward after the election is if the Democrats can capture the House.
3. Proof of natural born citizenship is one of only two legal requirements to run for President and has been in place since the inception of the constitution. Production of your tax return is not required to run for President (financial disclosure is, and Trump completed that), and is a rather recent tradition amongst Presidential candidates.
Like Trump, Ghomeshi never refuted, only denied. What I think, and who choose to share it with is my business; unlike Trump, Ghomeshi isn't making a public spectacle of himself. Unlike Jian, Trump's doing what he can to stay away from any forum where he'd have to face his accusers, and deal with facts, evidence and proof.
The fact that Ghomeshi actually faced the law (although he had no choice) is the biggest reason your comparison is specious, but it's also the reason we know a respected judge said there's reasonable doubt about the truth of the accusations against him.
The Don has left all that up to us.
You said 'guilty', not me. I say the charges have been made. His denials are as unsupported as those charges. But just like the accusations of what he did, his boastful words about what he did are on record.
Until the facts are tried, you can believe who you want, as can anyone; that's how things work.
You missed the point.
Ghomeshi was accused by a number of women of assault, everyone believed the girls instead of what you're supposed to do, which is innocent till proven guilty. And now we have same thing with Trump, a number of women have accused him of assault, people like you believe the women instead of what you're supposed to do, which is innocent till proven guilty
I think what Oldjones is saying is that people are entitled to believe anything they want in the court of public opinion, including believing in charges that at this point are mere allegations.
He's clearly right that people are entitled to believe someone is guilty even though they haven't been proven guilty. However, what everyone should ask themselves is how well that approach is working for society. It seems to me it leads to a lot of mistakes in judgement on the part of the electorate, and also encourages baseless allegations to be brought forward in order to interfere with the political process.
It also appears that media are being selective about which allegations they are prepared to give airtime to, despite the fact that they are in no position to adjudicate the merits of any of these claims. I haven't seen much coverage of the African American guy who claims to be Bill Clinton's child out of wedlock!
Since this is a phenomenon that provably happens during elections (Trump this time, Cain last time, as examples), I would expect that those decrying Russian interference in the election (something that is not yet provable) will now state what a threat to democracy such tactics pose.
I get that. But you have to be pretty dense to see these allegations arent motivated by politics, disgruntled former employees or chicks looking for a payday. That should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Trump is 70 yrs old, no allegations of sexual assault up until now. And then suddenly 10 women come forward.
Not to mention a porn star had to be dragged into all this.
Come on
Except that Ghomeshi wasn't 'proven innocent', the charges just didn't stick.
There is a big difference.
Thanks for proving my point, Franky.
Your post proves what I said earlier, that you still think Ghomeshi is guilty of sexual assault :encouragement:
I tend to believe that none of these allegations will ever be proven. I accept that others are entitled to believe otherwise. However, I don't think anyone should ever make an important decision based on a belief, unless they think they have strong evidence supporting their belief.I get that. But you have to be pretty dense to see these allegations arent motivated by politics, disgruntled former employees or chicks looking for a payday. That should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Trump is 70 yrs old, no allegations of sexual assault up until now. And then suddenly 10 women come forward.
Not to mention a porn star had to be dragged into all this.
Come on
These sexual assault allegations were motivated by Trump's own admission that he liked to molest women without permission. His only defense would be he didn't do it to these accusers.I get that. But you have to be pretty dense to see these allegations arent motivated by politics, disgruntled former employees or chicks looking for a payday. That should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Trump is 70 yrs old, no allegations of sexual assault up until now. And then suddenly 10 women come forward.
Not to mention a porn star had to be dragged into all this.
Come on
He may use litigation as a bullying tactic but he will never succeed in court as the most damaging evidence was provided by his own admission on tape.
