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Frankfooter

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Frank, I KNOW you're not eligible for the bench. It's you who appears to have some delusions to the contrary.

I've never had such an issue with any woman in my life. I can, however, understand how it could be possible for some perfectly gentlemanly men to face that issue.

On the other hand, I would think that this specific issue is nowhere close to the significance of the problems that the women in your life would have to contend with.

Lastly, based on your posting history here, I sincerely doubt your claimed empathy for women, or for anyone else.
No, you're a puppet.

That's basically the tone of your reply.
Consent isn't a hard concept to understand, I'm still unsure why you don't seem to be able to grasp it or why you think its unimportant if Trump doesn't care about consent.
 

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Yes it is. If you grab and kiss women against their will it's sexual assault
You first have to prove thats what Trump really did.

And you need a lot more proof then he said vs. she said
 

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Not if they consent, fuji
He bragged about doing it without getting consent. Exactly what he is accused of.

What's you best case here? He was lying about not getting consent and it just happens that his lie lines up with the accusations???
 

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No, you're a puppet.

That's basically the tone of your reply.
Consent isn't a hard concept to understand, I'm still unsure why you don't seem to be able to grasp it or why you think its unimportant if Trump doesn't care about consent.
Frank, there are many, many topics about which I have no claim to greater authority than you. On those topics, we debate with the strength and persuasiveness of our arguments alone.

On this topic, I'm TELLING YOU that if you perceive the determination of consent in the context of sexual interaction between people and in the context of the criminal law to be a straightforward and decided matter you are unequivocally wrong. The case law is simply full of contending alternative arguments as to how to construe consent in this context that have yet to be conclusively resolved, and that case law continues to develop at this time. If you were right: 1) you are claiming to know better than an awful lot of people who deal with this issue professionally, and 2) you would deny, and a make a mockery of, all the time and effort that the courts have expended considering this difficult issue, and will continue to expend in future cases. I'm putting this point to you in an authoritarian fashion, because I view your position to be either: 1) equally authoritarian, except lacking in the appropriate basis of authority, or b) so dismissive of the authority that actually exists on this subject so as to be a danger to yourself and others.
 

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He bragged about doing it without getting consent. Exactly what he is accused of
Like I said, you need more evidence than that.

He said vs. she said is not enough
 

Frankfooter

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Frank, there are many, many topics about which I have no claim to greater authority than you. On those topics, we debate with the strength and persuasiveness of our arguments alone.

On this topic, I'm TELLING YOU that if you perceive the determination of consent in the context of sexual interaction between people and in the context of the criminal law to be a straightforward and decided matter you are unequivocally wrong. The case law is simply full of contending alternative arguments as to how to construe consent in this context that have yet to be conclusively resolved, and that case law continues to develop at this time. If you were right: 1) you are claiming to know better than an awful lot of people who deal with this issue professionally, and 2) you would deny, and a make a mockery of, all the time and effort that the courts has expended considering this difficult issue, and will continue to expend in future cases. I'm putting this point to you in an authoritarian fashion, because I view your position to be either: 1) equally authoritarian, except lacking in the appropriate basis of authority, or b) so dismissive of the authority that actually exists on this subject so as to be a danger to yourself and others.
Are you claiming that the 10 women who claim to have been sexually assaulted by Donald Trump all 'consented' to being groped because Trump says he 'can get away with it'?

That this statement implies that they 'consented'?
I’ve gotta use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her.

You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.

And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything…

Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.
Are you inferring that statement means that the 10, sorry 11, women accusing Trump consented to being groped?
 

Frankfooter

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Like I said, you need more evidence than that.

He said vs. she said is not enough

We are discussing he said he does it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it and she said he did it.

Sounds like he did it.
 

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We are discussing he said he does it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it, she said he did it and she said he did it.

Sounds like he did it
Or its a politically motivated accusation. Ever think of that??
 

Frankfooter

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Or its a politically motivated accusation. Ever think of that??
Which of the 11 do you think are politically motivated?
Just the ones that came to light in the last few weeks after Trump denied ever groping anyone, or all the ones that happened in the years before that weren't given much press, like the 13 year old?
 

AK-47

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Which of the 11 do you think are politically motivated?
Just the ones that came to light in the last few weeks after Trump denied ever groping anyone, or all the ones that happened in the years before that weren't given much press, like the 13 year old?
They could be jilted ex one-night stands, they could be sore because they were fired, they could be looking for a Payday. It could be a lot of things
 

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They could be jilted ex one-night stands, they could be sore because they were fired, they could be looking for a Payday. It could be a lot of things
But so far, we've heard nothing to actually refute any of them.
 

AK-47

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But so far, we've heard nothing to actually refute any of them
Wrong! Trump has refuted them and says when election is over he'll sue them too
 

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Wrong! Trump has refuted them and says when election is over he'll sue them too
He's only denied, not refuted. And nothing at all stops him from suing right now, not that whether he does or not has anything to do with the truth of the accusations.
 

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But so far, we've heard nothing to actually refute any of them.
Right. Accusation made. Guilty until proven innocent. Based solely on a statement with no proof or even coroboration.

Just wanted to make sure we know how things work.
 

AK-47

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He's only denied, not refuted. And nothing at all stops him from suing right now, not that whether he does or not has anything to do with the truth of the accusations
You clearly learned nothing from the Jian Ghomeshi trial, did you??

Or are you one of those guys who still thinks he's guilty??

How about the 10th accuser, Karen Virginia writer for the Anti-Trump newspaper "Huffington Post". Such a joke!
Yeah, or the porn star they had to dig up :D
 
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