Blue Jays: 2016 Edition

[Yoga Face]

1 in the 19 inning fiasco Gibby was still making the calls out of site

2 Sunday the Jays did not score 17 legit runs as Clevleland gave up and put in non pitcher who wisely threw practice ball - no reason to fuck arm up in lost game

3 Yes, Hutch could have started Saturday but it is foolish to fuck with your starters for one possible win IE Estrada has back issues and the others had just pitched simulated off day game


4 WTF do not the players have a say in this ???? I am going to balk at having to risk injury for one possible win in mid season and destroy my career and the manager must be sensitive to players feelings on such issues. He might have asked Estrada if he wanted to pitch one inning and he might have said no, we would never be told this

5 Look what it did to Goins FFS! Players have a right to decline non positional play and if they do it is kept quiet

6 Goins was asked to pitch hard because he is not a prime player and they can afford losing him. Same for Barney.

7 If I am Goins and Barney I am saying WTF ?? You risked injuring me because I am not valuable !!! Gee, thanks!

 

[Perry Mason]

hahhahha, you kill me. Your still crying and sulking cause I called you out on your stupidity (one of them a year ago) about making claims that can't be quantified, and all you can two is run around taking cheap shots at me with your gay little edited quotes.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Perry

 

[SkyRider]

Players have a right to decline non positional play

I remember a few years ago, they moved Bautista from RF to 3B and he promptly hurt his back. Apparently, having to bend forward at 3B instead of standing straight up as in RF caused the injury.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Wrong

No, he's right. When Jays put in Goins/Barney they pretty much knew they were gonna lose the game.
It doesnt matter what skirt you dress it in, surrendering, throwing the game, forfeiting.....etc. Its all the same thing.

Now if you wanna have a discussion as to whether it was smart to not waste anymore pitchers and have position players pitch rest of game, thats certainly worthy of discussion, and you MIGHT actually have a point.

But to suggest Gibby put on Goins thinking he could actually win the game is ludicrous

No. It means they played the odds. Anyone could have won it at that point

But the odds were completely against the Jays when Goins entered the game, and thats exactly how it turned out too

 

[gcostanza]

No, he's right. When Jays put in Goins/Barney they pretty much knew they were gonna lose the game.
It doesnt matter what skirt you dress it in, surrendering, throwing the game, forfeiting.....etc. Its all the same thing.

Now if you wanna have a discussion as to whether it was smart to not waste anymore pitchers and have position players pitch rest of game, thats certainly worthy of discussion, and you MIGHT actually have a point.

But to suggest Gibby put on Goins thinking he could actually win the game is ludicrous


But the odds were completely against the Jays when Goins entered the game, and thats exactly how it turned out too

And you're wrong.
To throw the game, means to lose it intentionally.

In no way, shape, or form, did the Blue Jays throw the game, lose it intentionally.

The club may have put a less skilled pitcher than normal on the mound, but full effort was given.

 

[The LoLRus]

To throw the game, means to lose it intentionally

You're arguing semantics.

And you're still wrong

 

[busterhut]

Both managers gambled in different ways. Francona gambled with the next day's game. Gibbons gambled with the game in progress. I'm not sure Estrada was available. Perhaps Gibbons didn't want to risk injury to Estrada, and would prefer to diminish the odds in the current game rather than risk Estrada being hurt long term, thus decreasing the odds of winning in the future. If, after the first game you looked at the pitching match ups, would you be happy with Jays winning two of three remaining games? I say yes. Both managers made the decision they thought was best, and they had more information than we did. I'm happy with the outcome.

 

[black booty lover]

it's been already explained on numerous shows, non of the jays starters were available due to injuries, pitching the day before, or cause they just finished a "throw day". It just happened to be on the wrong day for the jays or they would have put in a starter.

 

[Dawgger]

Jays are awaiting results of an MRI on Estrada's back to determine if he will miss his next start. With all star break getting close wouldn't they be smart just to put him on the DL, give him the time to rest his back and start Hutch who is already here? That way they have anther player, position or pitcher they can use if need be.

 

[ultistar]

Jays are awaiting results of an MRI on Estrada's back to determine if he will miss his next start. With all star break getting close wouldn't they be smart just to put him on the DL, give him the time to rest his back and start Hutch who is already here? That way they have anther player, position or pitcher they can use if need be.

Agree Estrada prob won't pitch before the AS break. But they can back date the start of the DL to July 2 his last appearance.

Aside from wins, many blown by our bullpen, his isolated metrics are deserving of an ASG selection.

 

[Dawgger]

Agree Estrada prob won't pitch before the AS break. But they can back date the start of the DL to July 2 his last appearance.

Aside from wins, many blown by our bullpen, his isolated metrics are deserving of an ASG selection.

My thinking is the sooner you put him on the DL the sooner you bring a player up. If he isn't healthy he can't help you!

Edit: Just read where he had cortisone shots today and is expected to make his next start.

 

[ultistar]

My thinking is the sooner you put him on the DL the sooner you bring a player up. If he isn't healthy he can't help you!

Agreed but on any given day, the other 4 starting pitchers are unavail. Except for Terry Francona when only 3 pitchers are unavail !!
LOL

 

[ultistar]

Both managers gambled in different ways. Francona gambled with the next day's game. Gibbons gambled with the game in progress. I'm not sure Estrada was available. Perhaps Gibbons didn't want to risk injury to Estrada, and would prefer to diminish the odds in the current game rather than risk Estrada being hurt long term, thus decreasing the odds of winning in the future. If, after the first game you looked at the pitching match ups, would you be happy with Jays winning two of three remaining games? I say yes. Both managers made the decision they thought was best, and they had more information than we did. I'm happy with the outcome.

Given Estrada's bad back, Happ would be the most likely candidate, then the rest of your narrative would make sense. Seal of approval! LMAO

One thing the non-forfeit side forgets to mention is that CI was on a 13 game winning streak, the longest since the 1950's. If they threw the game, Francona would never hear the end of it. Meanwhile, we were scuffling along at 4-8 since JB injured his toe.

That 19in game meant more to them than it did to us. Enuf said.

 

[shack]

Both managers gambled in different ways. Francona gambled with the next day's game. Gibbons gambled with the game in progress. I'm not sure Estrada was available. Perhaps Gibbons didn't want to risk injury to Estrada, and would prefer to diminish the odds in the current game rather than risk Estrada being hurt long term, thus decreasing the odds of winning in the future. If, after the first game you looked at the pitching match ups, would you be happy with Jays winning two of three remaining games? I say yes. Both managers made the decision they thought was best, and they had more information than we did. I'm happy with the outcome.

Gibbons set them up to win at least 2 of the last 3. One or two more hits over the 19 innings and we had 3.

 

[ultistar]

Can anyone explain why cold Carrera is batting lead off while red hot Travis is batting 8th?

 

[SkyRider]

The TV guys said that there is no telling when Bautista might be back. They make it sound like he is on life support. Guys, it is only a sore toe. Maybe we should shut him down for the season?

 

[The LoLRus]

Because some guys keep portraying themselves as experts. That is the record that is broken

No, its you who cant handle it when other people have a different opinion than you do. You almost take it as a personal insult, and then like ultistar said you attack others with petty insults.

Can I ask how old you are??

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Because some guys keep portraying themselves as experts

You have no idea the irony of this post, do you??

Anywho, excellent station-to-station baseball tonight by the Jays. They didnt swing for the fences, just poke the ball up the middle or opposite field when the situation dictated for it.

And another great outing by Sanchez. Too bad he probably wont be an all-star this year.
But he will be in the future. You can count on that

 

[tribunus]

And another great outing by Sanchez. Too bad he probably wont be an all-star this year.
But he will be in the future. You can count on that

It will be exciting to see how good he'll become. They chose him over Syndergaard in the Dickey deal afterall. This guy is a pitcher that happens to throw 98, whereas Syndergaard is a thrower that can hit 100 but has Tommy John written all over him.

 

[ultistar]

And another great outing by Sanchez. Too bad he probably wont be an all-star this year.
But he will be in the future. You can count on that

Sanchez was a stud again. His curveball is unhittable.
Cecil has looked really good since his return, despite giving up the HR to Hosmer. Fingers crossed he is our reliable setup guy to Osuna.