Blue Jays: 2016 Edition
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If your definition of a "great" manager is one who has his team so screwed for pitching that they give up 9 runs yesterday and 17 runs today, I guess Francona is pretty amazing. 24 runs over two games is quite a lot. It happens when a team completely burns its pitching staff.
Maybe we would have won 3 of 4. With 17 run support today we could have started Hutch.
Did I use the word "great"?? You said TF is less of a manager than Gibby, which I disagreed with supporting facts.
TF chose to go for the win rather than throw the game. Nothin wrong with that in professional baseball.
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Agreed, hope Cecil can find his groove again, and maybe Grilli can have a good stretch run.
Well, let's hope. While his start yesterday was a promising QS, pretty much every pitcher was a Koufax with that dumb ump behind the plate. 2 very good hitting teams combined to score 3 runs over 19 innings.
So credit Stroman with a good start as he did against Minne and Philly, but just as he has been awful for 6 of 8 prev starts, we need him to be good about 3 of 4 times out.
We're still waiting for one iota of evidence that Toronto intentionally lost the game on July 1, 2016.
Moving on.....
Eddie now has an 11 RBI lead on Ortiz for top spot and that should make him an automatic for the ASG. And Josh has come from nowhere to rank 6th in hr and 4th in RBI and he's batting .298! All this with no Joe-Bats.
The ? is how close Eddie can come to 100 ribs by the All Star break.
Eddie now has an 11 RBI lead on Ortiz for top spot and that should make him an automatic for the ASG. And Josh has come from nowhere to rank 6th in hr and 4th in RBI and he's batting .298! All this with no Joe-Bats.
The ? is how close Eddie can come to 100 ribs by the All Star break.
what does it take to cheer you guys up? Kathleen? fun game today, we needed it, feel good for tulo.............Francona is an excellent manager...how else do you explain Cleveland being way out in front in the standings with what looks like a rather mediocre roster.
Edwin has a shot at Delgado's club record for RBI's before the AS break. Guesses?
JD's OPS is a whisker short of 1.000 and is much better than his last year. He had like 3 walk offs early last year which made all the ESPN/SC highlight reels and started the MVP chants. But he is actually walking more and striking out less. So he truly is turning into a Joey Bats type hitter.
@Nads, I'm having fun, not insulting anyone, sticking to comments about baseball.
I wouldn't even bother talking with this guy about baseball. It's like talking to someone who just discovered the game. Save yourself some time and talk to other knowledgeable members. Trying to explain to him he doesn't know what he's talking about and he just start taking personal shots at you. That's all he knows how to do so I wouldn't even bother.
Disagree with him again, he tell you don't know what your talking about and call you a troll....lol!!!
Allowing your team to lose a game sends a bad message to the players and I have never heard of any major league team allowing themselves to lose a game, especially at this point in the season.
I believe that when a major league team has an opportunity to win the game, you go for it.
I still maintain that they should have put a starter in instead of Goins and Barney. They had Hutch ready to go the next day as his previous start was few days prior (which they would have been aware of). As it turns out, Goins threw too hard and ended up injuring his arm. Not a smart move.
Today, the scenario was more realistic for using a non-pitcher in relief. Cleveland was being blown out. This guy did not need to throw hard, basically he had to just throw a batting practice ball. Risk of injury is greatly reduced and mission accomplished.
And yes I am just another Joe like the rest of the people on this board.
Dude, you can not as a manager, make moves based on what you think your GM may or may not do to facilitate your moves. You have the guys in your line up that day, that's who you have to work with. End of story.
The bench Manager (not even the actual manager as we all know was thrown out), worked with what he had. It's been discussed on numerous shows as to why he couldn't put in a starter. It just happened to fall on a day that it would just fucked up the whole rotation.
Stop focusing on a very difficult situation for not just the jays, but the Indians as well and saying "they allowed themselves to lose". Also stop focusing on the fact goins and darney pitched, cause they pitched better than our regular bull-pen have most times this year. They played the cards they had, it didn't work out in that crazy game, but helped them in the next two.
That was the situation, move on.
hahhahha, you kill me. Your still crying and sulking cause I called you out on your stupidity (one of them a year ago) about making claims that can't be quantified, and all you can two is run around taking cheap shots at me with your gay little edited quotes.
Evidence: gcostanza used the term "lose the battle" which means they threw the game.
So everyone agrees they forfeited the July1 game. Then the issue becomes is was it the right thing to do.
Without the foresight that we would score 26 runs in the next two games, SAVING Happ to start against the former CY Kluber makes some sense. The latter was coming off a big month going 4-1, 2CG and WHIP 0.7.
But as Ref and others say, professional teams are paid to win. If we miss the playoffs by 1 game, then we lose the war as well.
This thread is going to hell in a hand basket. AK gets banned and the rest of the world tries to replace him!
BTW Jays tied for the second wild card spot with Detroit, 1/2 game back of Boston. KC right behind Tigers/Jays. Jays next 2 series against KC and then Detroit!
BTW Jays tied for the second wild card spot with Detroit, 1/2 game back of Boston. KC right behind Tigers/Jays. Jays next 2 series against KC and then Detroit!
No. It means they played the odds. Anyone could have won it at that point. Jays could have walked off with a homer. Anything.Evidence: gcostanza used the term "lose the battle" which means they threw the game.
So everyone agrees they forfeited the July1 game. Then the issue becomes is was it the right thing to do.
Without the foresight that we would score 26 runs in the next two games, SAVING Happ to start against the former CY Kluber makes some sense. The latter was coming off a big month going 4-1, 2CG and WHIP 0.7.
But as Ref and others say, professional teams are paid to win. If we miss the playoffs by 1 game, then we lose the war as well.
But in the marathon of baseball sometimes you perhaps are willing to play the less better odds in the short term for the longer season. They do it every game. Whether it's giving a player a day off, shuffling the rotation, bringing up relievers.
The beauty and beast of baseball is its utter inconsistency. The best hitters fail 7 out of 10 times. These day a pitcher only wins half his games and can win the Cy Young.
This time the Jays lost, but perhaps won the next two and maybe more coming up against Kansas. If they sweep them this becomes moot.
That's why I love this game.
Wrong.Evidence: gcostanza used the term "lose the battle" which means they threw the game.
So everyone agrees they forfeited the July1 game.
