Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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Yes you have. You gave us a big speech about how the Palestinians have no other choice and how stupid you think everyone is who believes that the Geneva Conventions should be followed. You said that specifically in response to reports of Hamas killing women and children, and you did it on numerous occasions. You totally justified it.You are making up lies as usual, I have never justified the killing of women and children.
Israel consistently chooses diplomacy and makes peace offers. On a large scale, Olmert peace offer which Abbas ignored. On a smaller scale, the truce Israel repeatedly offered during the last conflict which Hamas repeatedly rejected. Israel has also never started a war, but only ever responded to acts of war against it. Even in 47 it was the Israelis who accepted the UN diplomatic solution and the Arabs who went to war instead.You say the Arabs have chosen violence, when have the Israelis NOT chosen violence?
Specifically because they must give up on their idea that they will overrun Israel by invading with zillions of immigrants in order to overthrow the government and reverse the 47 war.Why do they have to accept Israel as a "Jewish Majority State" when demographics are changing?
And no, the demographics aren't changing, not inside the wall. That asinine argument requires you to either fail to count Jewish settlers, or add in Palestinians outside the wall.
I have never supported it, but at some level I do understand why it happens, generally in retaliation for all the women and children Israel kills. Neither one is right but seeking revenge is a common human instinct is even expressed by leaders like BIBI, Bush, Obama etc etc. You claim Israel has never started a war, which is utter rubbish. If Olmert was serious about peace, why did he attack Gaza in the midst of the offer? such utter nonsense. Why does Israel constantly oppose progress to Palestinian statehood? Joining of the ICC? etc etc?Yes you have. You gave us a big speech about how the Palestinians have no other choice and how stupid you think everyone is who believes that the Geneva Conventions should be followed. You said that specifically in response to reports of Hamas killing women and children, and you did it on numerous occasions. You totally justified it.
Israel consistently chooses diplomacy and makes peace offers. On a large scale, Olmert peace offer which Abbas ignored. On a smaller scale, the truce Israel repeatedly offered during the last conflict which Hamas repeatedly rejected. Israel has also never started a war, but only ever responded to acts of war against it. Even in 47 it was the Israelis who accepted the UN diplomatic solution and the Arabs who went to war instead.
Specifically because they must give up on their idea that they will overrun Israel by invading with zillions of immigrants in order to overthrow the government and reverse the 47 war.
And no, the demographics aren't changing, not inside the wall. That asinine argument requires you to either fail to count Jewish settlers, or add in Palestinians outside the wall.
Anyone who is familiar with the appalling treatment that Israel has received from the U.N. can immediately understand why Israel is in no rush to join the ICC.Why does Israel constantly oppose progress to Palestinian statehood? Joining of the ICC? etc etc?
And what's with the questions about whether the ICC will investigate whether Israel committed "war crimes" in its efforts to defend itself from terrorist attacks.
The ICC is not supposed to view terrorism as legitimate. The Palestinians' request should have been immediately rejected. The fact that the ICC is mulling over the possibility of legitimizing terrorism makes Israel's position entirely defensible. In fact, it's the only position Israel should consider under the current circumstances.
The Egyptians have resorted to class warfare, university educated in Zamalek vs the poor and uneducated. The latter group got Morsi elected but that didn't suit the first group, Iraq would have turned out better if there would have been support for a unified resistance instead of Georgie jr replacing a really brutal Sunni dictator with a slightly less brutal Shia dictatorship that caters to Iran. What language do they speak in Tunisia genius? Ahhh Arabic!Ahhh yes, so the Egyptians decide enough is enough, overthrow their dictator, and WHO THE FUCK DID THEY VOTE FOR? Man you have proven my case. Saddam was overthrown by the US, the Iraqis given the vote.. and NOW where is this GREAT IRAQI DEMOCRACY? Syria, PLEASE!! Tunisia, yeah that is a real MAJOR arab country. With the democracy there only a few years old I would suggest you shaddap until a bit more time passes before claiming they are a democracy.
I don't know why anyone bothers with your immature, uneducated posts, they are over the place, sometimes the usual pro Bashar, glorious resistance leftie nonsense, other times you're straight out of the 19th century orientalist types with we must educate those poor wretched Arabs.
There you go again blatantly justifying terrorism, and justifying it with lies.I have never supported it, but at some level I do understand why it happens, generally in retaliation for all the women and children Israel kills.
You are such a liar and a hypocrite.
So when you said that the Canadian kid blown up by Hamas shouldn't have been on the beach, when you said that the little girl firebombed (and recently died) while driving with he mom shouldn't have been driving in an Arab claimed area, when you said that the school bus hit by a guided missile shouldn't have been driving near Gaza, when you said that Palestinian attacks on civilians are a natural response, you weren't justifying attacks on women and children?You are making up lies as usual, I have never justified the killing of women and children. ...
Says the guys who believes Arabs are incapable of democracy or morality.Such a racist you don't even know it.
I have never supported it, but at some level I do understand why it happens, generally in retaliation for all the women and children Israel kills....
justification
[juhs-tuh-fi-key-shuh n]
noun
the act of defending or explaining or making excuses for by reasoning
Video code is off but this is worth watching:
Marco Rubio Delivers Blistering Speech on Obama's Assault on Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMWbqZsyuM
Marco Rubio Delivers Blistering Speech on Obama's Assault on Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMWbqZsyuM
If you weren't aware, the Republicans going after Obama has nothing to do with what they feel is right but merely what they feel might win votes.Video code is off but this is worth watching:
Marco Rubio Delivers Blistering Speech on Obama's Assault on Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMWbqZsyuM
On this issue, it's both.If you weren't aware, the Republicans going after Obama has nothing to do with what they feel is right but merely what they feel might win votes.
They may not be alone. It will be interesting to see Hillary's position.
I think part of it is Obama being stubborn. Of course it must be challenging to not yell at Netanyahu.On this issue, it's both.
They may not be alone. It will be interesting to see Hillary's position.
Israel Guilty of Ethnic Cleansing and Apartheid, Says UN Rapporteur
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-guilty-ethnic-cleansing-apartheid-says-un-rapporteur-1441350
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-guilty-ethnic-cleansing-apartheid-says-un-rapporteur-1441350
WTF are you talking about?The Israeli government isn't democratically elected because the Jews living in west bank have the right to vote but not arabs (the ones in west Bank) who cannot vote for the government that controls their territory.
Tunisia is the only country in North-Africa/Middle East region that has a democratically elected government and guess what they elected a secular government , the Islamist party Ennahda lost the elections there . This contradicts the claims of Netenyahu who said that arabs choose only radical islam.
West Bank Arabs aren't Israeli and don't want to be Israeli so why would they vote in Israeli elections?
As for Israelis in the WB voting, like many countries, Israel has absentee balloting so that's not exactly an issue.
Really? Care to share your source for that?90 percent of BIBI's funding came from where???? It definitely wasn't Israel. ....
On the topic of elections, you might have missed that the Israeli Supreme Court judge in charge of the elections is Arab and the third most seats went to a mainly Arab party. Sort of makes your (and UNHRC) claims seem the idiocy that they are.Israel Guilty of Ethnic Cleansing and Apartheid, Says UN Rapporteur
A UN group on women's rights just chose Israel as the only country to criticize. Doesn't make it true or sane.
Arabs in the West Bank who are Israeli citizens have the right to vote. Unlikely there are many, but the number isn't zero.The Israeli government isn't democratically elected because the Jews living in west bank have the right to vote but not arabs
Was Canada undemocratic when we were occupying Kandahar but not allowing Afghans to vote in Canadian elections?
You are talking nonsense. People don't become citizens of an occupying power. If they were citizens it would be an annexation, not an occupation.
Netanyahu doesn't have the authority to declare that territory part of Israel. Not even within Israeli law, and certainly not under international law.Their territory is part of Israel now. Netenyahu admitted last Monday that he will never give it up.
The fact that they don't have citizenship is another evidence that Israel isn't a democracy because part of the population living on that territory are citizens because they are jewish and the rest of population are stateless or second class citizens because they aren't jewish.
By the way, the citizens and non citizens for the most part do not live in the same territory. There is this security wall that you may have heard of that clearly delineates one area from the other. Even if Israel annexed territory it would only be the area inside the wall.
Numerous fallacies here. First off your notion that Netanyahu is some sort of dictator who can just pronounce things like that -- he can't. He doesn't have the authority. The Israeli constitution doesn't give it to him. Netanyahu could say the moon was made of blue cheese, and that wouldn't make it so. For Israel to annex land you would at LEAST need the Knesset to support it. You might actually need a super-majority of the Knesset. You might even need an Israeli referendum. In any case, it's not something that Netanyahu has the power to say.You're comparing apples and oranges . Canada didn't send civilians to settle there and that was temporary which is very different from the west bank situation.
The west bank situation is no longer a military occupation because Netenyahu is talking about annexation according to his last statements .
Secondly, an occupation is an occupation. Whether other violations occur, or not, changes nothing. Your claim is fundamentally that the Palestinians should vote in Israeli elections because the territory is occupied by Israel. That is not in any way valid.
Thirdly, Israel has NOT settled in the Palestinian areas of the West Bank. There is a massive security wall between the Jewish and the Palestinian areas, they are not the same area. Even if you were to accuse Israel of annexing territory, there is no meaningful claim that Israel has annexed anything beyond the security wall. The settlers recognized by Israel are all inside that wall. The Palestinians you are talking about are outside that wall.
Fourthly, the United Nations does not agree with you. In resolution after resolution, including some at the Security Council, the UN has asserted that Palestine is occupied territory, not Israeli territory.
There is no body of law anywhere, no precedent, no UN resolution, nothing that would justify your bizarre assertion that the Palestinians should be considered Israelis. They are simply not.
Stop making things up.
