It is occupied territory. Plainly. Do you know what occupied territory is? What was Germany when it was occupied? What was Iraq when it was occupied? What was Afghanistan when it was occupied?If the territory isn't part of Israel, then it's part of what ?
Are you anti Israeli?It's interesting every time I have discussions with pro-israelis
That is correct. There has never been a Palestinian state. The accurate statement is that the UN and Britain set aside some formerly Ottoman Turk territory for the creation of an Arab state. At that time there wasn't even a Palestinian ethnicity, Arabs from Jordan, Syria, and Palestine were fairly homogeneous, with their regional capital being Damascus.they argue that there has never been a palestinian state even before 1948.so there was no palestinian territory before 1948
What is the point of a counterfactual like this? There clearly wasn't one. It was indisputably Ottoman before it was British.If they admit that there was a plastinian state before 1948,
1 is correct. 2 is only partly right, in that Jordan's annexation of Palestine was illegal and did not annul the UN resolution mandating that territory be Palestine.So let's try to follow the pro-israel logic
1- There was no such thing called palestine or palestinian territory before 1948
2- There was no palestinian territory or state between 1948 and 1967 , it was part of Jordan
3- There will never be a palestinian state and therefore no palestinian territory in the future according to Netenyahu latest statements.
That isn't even logical either. Suppose the entire world is wrong about the Palestinian state and you alone are right that it won't happen.if this isn't a palestinian territory then it's an israeli territory and therefore Israel isn't democratic because a part of population living on that territory don't have the right to vote.
I've heard of negative-option billing, but this is my first encounter with negative-option statehood....if this isn't a palestinian territory then it's an israeli territory and therefore Israel isn't democratic because a part of population living on that territory don't have the right to vote.
Any American born in the 50 states and living in Puerto Rico has the right to an absentee ballot. Same as any Israeli living in the West Bank.Puerto Rico doesn't have the status of US state and Peurto Ricans don't have representatives in the congress which is very different from west bank where jewish settlers vote for representatives in Kennesset but arabs living there don't have this right which makes it unfair.
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Considering Likud got only 23% of the vote that seems a pretty stupid claim.Netanyahu was elected by the majority of jewish israelis...
But not every person who is currently living in Canada has the right to vote.Everyone born in Canada has the right to vote
And neither Gaza, nor West Bank Area A nor West Bank Area B have any status in Israel whatsoever.Puerto Rico doesn't have the status of US state
Everyone born in Israel has the right to vote.Everyone born in Canada has the right to vote
No, he was elected by 23% of Israelis, and us trying to form a coalition with others who got even less. That makes him the Israeli Prime Minister, a position that does NOT confer the authority to declare what is it isn't part of Israel.Netanyahu was elected by the majority of jewish israelis
And who gives a shit what he thinks? He doesn't have the power to decide that. He could oppose a two state solution and the Knesset could implement one anyway.and he said there will be no palestinian state in the future and he doesn't give a shit about what the US or the UN think
Reread my post. I said there will be one.There was no palestinian territory in the past according to you and there will be no palestinian territory in the future
The official position of the Israeli government is to negotiate a two state solution.according to the israeli government which controls this territory,
Sorry, how does that make it Israeli, even if this false gibberish were true that wouldn't make it Israeli. Why is it by default Israel rather than by default something else?therefore it's an israeli territory because the palestinian territory has never existed in the past and will never exist in the future.
Not only do you have little grasp of reality, you have no grasp of mathematics.That was the party that got the most votes from jewish israelis if you exclude the arab list, also other zionist parties like naftali bennett support no palestinian state , so it's fair that the majority of jewish israelis voted for parties that are against a palestinian state.
A binational state is opposed by roughly 80% of Palestinians and even more Israelis.That would be a great idea . Now that Netenyahu is rejecting two states soution , we can have a binational state with jewish and arab entities like the one in Bosnia that has a serbian and muslim entities under the control of UN soldiers.
The binational state has been successful to end the conflict in Bosnia and they needed UN soldiers at the beginning , now most of them left and it's becoming peaceful.
Which is not part is Israel. They do however vote in Palestinian elections.Not everyone born in west bank
Look, are you thick? How many times do I have to point out that Netanyahu's opinion isn't Israeli law? Until the Knesset enacts a law his opinion is worth the same as mine.Netnetyahu said the opposite last week, are you saying that the israeli government is lying ?
What drugs are you on? Israel is not going to become a UN protectorate or a binational state.That would be a great idea . Now that Netenyahu is rejecting two states soution , we can have a binational state with jewish and arab entities like the one in Bosnia that has a serbian and muslim entities under the control of UN soldiers.
The binational state has been successful to end the conflict in Bosnia and they needed UN soldiers at the beginning , now most of them left and it's becoming peaceful.
So the federation of Israel-Palestine under control of UN troops would be the most realistic solution
So you admit that a majority in the Knesset disagrees with Netanyahu in this point. And actually a lot of Likud MK's also support negotiating a two state solution.I was talking about jewish israelis, if you exclude the arab list a majority of jewish israelis voted for parties that support one state solution
Not really, the security wall is pretty well set in its location. Area C may wind up being annexed by Israel but Areas A and B where the majority of the Palestinians live won't be.If Israel continues on they would end up having palestinian enclaves between jewish settlements located withing israeli territory
Have you given up trying to claim Netanyahu's word is law yet?This is a speech for americans only and the US know that he' s lying and he already unveiled his real plans last week before the elections. The white house said they no longer believe him.
He already made it clear 20 years that he was against Oslo agreements.
And where is the act passed by the Knesset?He has a majority with a coalition of right wing parties which share the same opinion so he can force the kenesset to agree with his opinion like Harper forced the canadian parliament to agree with his opinion that prostitution is violence against women with no evidence supporting it.
