Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police

[mynameisearl11]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...g_line_of_toronto_police_shooting_deaths.html
Most recent police shootings. Everyone should know that police officers get re-tested for their shooting skills very often while they're on the job. Failing the shooting test they will be sent to desk duties. Therefore, police officers are good at what they do - shoot high-:frusty:

 

[mojak]

He did step towards them, and did so after they told him if he took another step he would be shot (you can hear it if you listen carefully). He took a step, and they shot him.QUOTE]

...and shot him...and shot him......<pause>....and shot him...and shot him...and shot him..and shot him, and shot him, and shot him again.


Party's not over! Get the Tazer! Were those cops on 'bath salts'?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

What if cops do shoot him in the leg. Suspect survives, and 2 months later while out on bail goes mental again and stabs his girlfriend and her entire family to death with a butcher knife.


Then critics will say why didnt you cops shoot an kill him the first time around when you had the chance

 

[GPIDEAL]

Seems very over the top for someone with a knife IMHO. The guy was in a confined area, a bunch of cops outside... lots of other options like pepper spray or tazer..and they pump a bunch of rounds into the guy. Seriously WTF.. these guys seem too anxious to kill someone.

Not to automatically defend the cops, but unless they know exactly what's going on or how someone violent may behave, anybody with a knife who doesn't stop their approach when told to drop that weapon will be shot by police.

They are trained to shoot at the centre of your body, not at your hand, your leg, arm or between the eyes like you see on television or in the movies.

They want to come home safe and sound to their families, and they're not going to take any chances.

But it does sound like a LOT of shots for a guy armed with a knife.

 

[GPIDEAL]

There are a couple of good reasons why police don't shoot the guy in the leg.

First, police aren't marksmen. They shoot you in the chest and they are lucky if they actually hit you. My guess is they fired so many shots because they missed or just grazed him until the final few rounds. Don't assume all those rounds were actually hitting him, or that they were hitting him anywhere that would put him down.

Second, either the guy is a threat or he isn't. If he is a threat shooting him in the legs might not stop him and he might kill someone. If he is a threat he needs to go down. Is he is not a threat then he shouldn't be shot at at all.

I agree.

Also, not easy to be a marksman with a hand gun and in a real life situation where you aren't shooting at a regular gun target sheet.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Where are those guys from Flashpoint when you need them? (This event is in sharp contrast to the popular TV series filmed in Toronto).

 

[mojak]

What if cops do shoot him in the leg. Suspect survives, and 2 months later while out on bail goes mental again and stabs his girlfriend and her entire family to death with a butcher knife.


Then critics will say why didnt you cops shoot an kill him the first time around when you had the chance

Whatif he didn't....

 

[lenharper]

I think this was a complete screw up by the police. There are trained units who deal with these situations, they should have been called in. It would have been very easy to contain the man. He was a high 18 year old with a utility knife and was probably shot by a kid not much older than he was.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Yeah in the enhanced video I can't see how he was actually a threat from where he was standing when they shot him.

But yeah, when the police yell "drop the knife", not dropping the knife is not a good plan. Maybe an officer will get some sort of retraining over this, but he's dead. He should have dropped the knife.

I think a few years ago, there was an African-Cdn man who was waving a knife and was shot dead by TPS. He may have been mentally unstable too.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I have to agree with you 1000%...the police need much better training. Who exactly did they serve and protect here?

I think I may have to agree with Captain Fantastic's assessment too.

 

[afterhours]

I agree.

Also, not easy to be a marksman with a hand gun and in a real life situation where you aren't shooting at a regular gun target sheet.

+1
Cops are not your friends or babysitters. They want to come home from work in one piece. A guy with a knife seems like a legitimate threat to that. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

 

[studs lonigan]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...g_line_of_toronto_police_shooting_deaths.html
Most recent police shootings. Everyone should know that police officers get re-tested for their shooting skills very often while they're on the job. Failing the shooting test they will be sent to desk duties. Therefore, police officers are good at what they do - shoot high-:frusty:

LMAO
right
had to be 10 cops on the scene all guns pointing !!!! , tazer at same time as shots fired, ,I think one cop got cared away ,a happy cowboy, there should be some charges laid when this is done, but there wont be
sad state of the GTA
but look at video and look at all the cops had guns pointing and more running ,to get into the scene , (count how many are there ) were was the shooter ,hmm
really sad. 18 yesr old kid , shot ,how many times with 40 mm bullets

 

[fuji]

Where are those guys from Flashpoint when you need them? (This event is in sharp contrast to the popular TV series filmed in Toronto).

On the SWAT team. Those guys actually train with their weapons on a regular basis. Most beat cops only fire their weapon once a year at their annual qualification.

 

[red]

What if cops do shoot him in the leg. Suspect survives, and 2 months later while out on bail goes mental again and stabs his girlfriend and her entire family to death with a butcher knife.


Then critics will say why didnt you cops shoot an kill him the first time around when you had the chance

we should shoot all violent suspects then

 

[studs lonigan]

+1
Cops are not your friends or babysitters. They want to come home from work in one piece. A guy with a knife seems like a legitimate threat to that. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.[/
right especially when you 20 ft away with 10 cops pointing guns at you

 

[GPIDEAL]

Exactly.

Anyone who yields a knife and tells people to leave the bus isnt right in the head, and its just a matter of time before he seriously hurts or kills someone later in his life.

Good riddance. Life's a bitch if you dont play by the rules

Why don't we just liquidate all mentally disturbed people or even those that have dementia?

Come on. This guy maybe required medication. Something's not right with him. I think the cops chose the easy route.

 

[AdamH]

He was a high 18 year old with a utility knife and was probably shot by a kid not much older than he was.

Have these reports of him being "high" been confirmed by anybody yet?

 

[GPIDEAL]

On the SWAT team. Those guys actually train with their weapons on a regular basis. Most beat cops only fire their weapon once a year at their annual qualification.

In Toronto, our SWAT team is actually called the Emergency Task Force or ETF. The team from Flashpoint are trained not just in special weapons and tactics (ergo. 'swat') but with special words - to diffuse a situation.

Don't beat cops go target shooting once a month at least? I would if I was a cop.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

we should shoot all violent suspects then

Department of Precrime

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Why don't we just liquidate all mentally disturbed people or even those that have dementia?

Come on. This guy maybe required medication. Something's not right with him. I think the cops chose the easy route

I will say so far it looks like they overreacted.

But we gotta wait to see what CCTV streetcar video shows, if the suspect made some type of charge towards cops they are justified in shooting because their training dictates so