Thanks, Phil, that the most detailed report I've heard yet, and the enhanced video is very informative.
LOL. I was half-tempted to say that people who don't make a fuss about this death because the kid was white, are racist, but we all know how those threads turn out!!!Thank god it wasnt some Black kid, or we wouldnt hear the end of it for the next 3 months
If he did say that to a cop (holding a knife), he deserved to get shot 9 times. :biggrin1:“You’re a f---ing pussy.”
It could be that the subject had not been incapacitated by the first volley of shots with a knife still in his hands and continuing to ignore any commands to drop them. There is nothing in the video to suggest that this wasn't the case.One think I've noticed is the police (no way of knowing if it was the one who shot or another officer) was yelling at the guy to drop the knife after all those shots. That strikes me as very strange.
This sounds like excellent work done by TTC driver for getting passengers off the streetcar, then somehow he was able to call 911 and then managed to escape himself.Jeremy Ing, a passenger on the streetcar who witnessed the events leading up to the shooting, told NOW Magazine:
I was on a westbound 505 Dundas car, preparing to exit at Grace Street. I had my headphones in, so I was interrupted by the shrill screams of young girls, from the back of the car. And when I turned to see what was goin' on, some guy had stood up from his seat with his dick in his hand and also holding a knife. And then as soon as everybody recognized that, they scurried to the front of the car. It took maybe, like, five seconds or so before the streetcar driver realized what was goin' on and opened the doors up. So everybody flooded out, like disorderly, onto the street.
The guy remained on the car with the driver for a while. Eventually, maybe like two minutes later or so, the driver managed to get off and then the cops showed up and they basically swarmed it. And then they told him to drop the knife, like many times. And I guess he didn't comply or whatever, and fired off, I dunno, like eight shots or so
I think he went down still clutching the knife and waving it around. Which could mean he was juiced up on some pretty serious drugs. They went in to tazer him likely because was STILL waving the knife around, even after being shot a bunch of times.One think I've noticed is the police (no way of knowing if it was the one who shot or another officer) was yelling at the guy to drop the knife after all those shots. That strikes me as very strange.
Are u serious?!If the guy came lunging at cops with a knife (which is what I suspect that happened), their training kicks in and their training tells them to pump as many bullets into a suspect until he's confirmed dead. Cops are not trained to shoot someone in the leg so he/she can live.
When all the fact come out this was probably a "suicide by cop":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_cop
Public execution. Incompetence. Ample opportunity to de-escalate the situation rather than respond with deadly force.
But don't worry. We will get an official whitewash 18 months from now. Just like the G20.
Anyone defending police officers on this one are fools. No one deserves to be shot in under 2 minutes in a situation that could be brought under control easily by experienced officers. The police have very strict mandates on lethal force and none will fit this shooting.Another angle you have to consider, when cops first arrived on the scene things were very chaotic and they probably werent sure if there were hostages still stuck on the streetcar. Maybe they thought some were hiding under the seats.
Then what??! Are cops supposed to let the suspect retreat so he can start stabbing people who are hiding in the back of the streetcar??! If they did that then afterwards people would ask "why didnt you shoot the suspect when you had the chance"?
Notice how they don't bother mentioning he had a knife ?They're already planning a protest march for tomorrow:
https://www.facebook.com/events/551969194868293/