Guilty in Steubenville
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What the State presented was that she was extremely intoxicated (or in the vernacular she was trashed off her ass).
as it should be. just with man code there comes a time when a woman has been drinking that you should say "not gonna happen" as well.
Perhaps you could explain the difference between a softcore & hardcore rapist for us.
should it have been worded the nice polite friendly rapist ? i could agree there needs to be no description in front of the word rapist. when you are called a rapist it should be implied that you are a piece of shit and be chemically castrated for the rest of your life.
I'm for the belief that it doesn't matter if you killed 1 or 15, you're a murderer. Same is true for rapists.
Exactly right. If she's unconscious or pretty close to it, then yeah, that would be crossing the line.
there comes a point in the evening even if she is not unconscious or close to it that you as a man should say this is not going to happen.
Although your question is nonsensical - what the Hell is a softcore rapist. Basically: there was no previous history of either sexual harassment of, or sexual crimes against women. This particular crime although obviously involving lack of consent did not involve force or the threat thereof.
You said you had a problem with the words hardcore rapist. Well, what's the opposite of hardcore if not softcore?
I never said it was ok.
It's definitely not OK. But I don't think that it's a clear cut case. The victim has changed her story several times and she showed extremely poor judgement. She tested negative for the presence of any drugs. Also, the young men showed extremely poor judgement. The whole thing was fueled by alcohol, hormones, dumb kids, and the impression that not being able to say no means yes.
At the end of the day, I think the judge made the right decision.
I also said that I think it should serve as a lesson to other 16 year old males that you can't do this kind of shit.
I was 16 once and I remember the drama. I remember the drunkeness, the quest for and the newness and the intensity of sex.
I don't understand where why there were no rational kids in the bunch who tried to stop it.
Ok what if one party gives consent while hammered and the other party acts on said consent when hammered.. who is to blame then when everyone is hammered? It's not exactly earth shattering news that one's inhibitions decline when you are drunk. What is this girl turned into a total nympho when she got drunk, and then eventually passed out in the middle of an orgy... ?
the one with the dick, that's who
btw a coupe of years back the Supreme Court of Canada gave a totally fucked up decision that coincidentally criminalizes you hugging your wife in her sleep as she cannot give a consent which would cover the future unconscious state. The law can be a real ass sometimes.
That is not what you said at all.
You said that a 16 SHOULD not attempt this type of "sex" because with pussy involved he is will be royally screwed. Not because it is wrong.
Kind of like you should not murder someone. Not because it is wrong but with a forensic science and DNA testing out there, you are bound to get caught and then your fucked. Not because it is wrong to murder someone. Just that you will be fucked if you do.
Two completely different things.
And of course the girl changed her story. So did most of the people there, including those who were involved and didn't do anything. She had to be carried, how much can she really tell about her side.
You love a double standard so there is no point in debating you with. It is okay for the boys who raped her to change their story. It is okay for the witnesses to change theirs too but the drunk girl passed out who probably has flashes of new memories of the evening all the time popping up for her, no - she can't change or ADD new info to her story. She has a pussy and therefore is evil.
WTF are you going on about? She didn't turn into a nyphmo begging for it while being passed out and carried from one room to another. Sorry but you are not going to get me to say that the passed out drunk deserved what she got in anyway shape or form.
Just like if it was a guy, and women forced V down his throat and rode him him all night. Or guys thought it would be fun to fuck him in the ass with a broom stick, or any other form of sexual violation while PASSED OUT DRUNK.
Sorry. passed out drunk = stop and let them be. Whoever keeps going is at fault, period. Male, female, shemale, doesn't matter. My opinion. Don't like it, sue me.
Have a hard time reading?
I will quote mysefl
And I never said pussy was evil, you did not understand my point. My point is that the world is full of double standards and western society will come at a man full bore if there is even the slightest sexual impropriety agaisnt a female. Example: a male grabs a woman's ass on the subway - they will stop the subway, the police will be called, a manhunt will be carried out, the guy will be arrested, charged, put into the system, be registered as a sex offender, even go to jail.
If a woman grabs a man's ass on the subway, nothing will happen.
This is how it works and you know it.
It's a double standard, but western society views a woman's sexuality as something that is to be kept under lock and key and that anyone who transgresses against a woman in any shape or form is to be persued to the full extent of the law.
With respect to the incident in question, I did not say that the young woman in question DESERVED what happened to her. I said she used very poor judgement and she got extremely drunk of her own accord. She did not test positive for any "date rape" drugs and she changed her story several times (and no, this is not what people do in incidents like this. When the cops ask you a question, you tell the truth. If you don't you undermine your arguement. As it stands now, it's a case of yes it happened, but who knows what the truth is.)
It is not a clear cut case. It's a despicable case all round.
I don't know any of the individuals involved, I just know that kids have very poor judgement often and this is definitely a case of poor judgement, poor morals, poor everything.
