rob ford removed from office

GameBoy27

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I guess you don't care enough about a billion dollars to do the sort of work the Star story says it took to get Rob. Since it's a matter of real money, just what is stopping you? Or Tim Hudak, or Ezra of The Sun, or … ? Prosecutions don't happen by magic, especially in these times of deficit.

Just who are you imagining you're attaching blame to?
As fuji stated, the laws are different so you can't go after the these slimeballs for wasting taxpayers money. Besides, I'm sure it would be impossible to get Clayton Ruby to fight a case against the Liberals pro bono.
 

oldjones

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Its the media's job to uncover these stories, not mine.

Not sure what you're getting at oldjones, you want me to play crime reporter??
It wasn't the media that took Rob to court, it was a citizen. The media reported eHealth and ORNGE not McNasty, now you want them to play prosecutor as well? You're the one asking why those evildoers are not being prosecuted. You do know that for a fact I trust?

I don't see where you get off complaining no one's doing what you want them to do. Why should they do it for you? If a twentysomething can get the Mayor removed from office, and these other guys are so much worse, what's stopping you?

Rob's not the only stupid, unprincipled pol fer sure. But he is the topic until McNasty vs. Some Evil Left Conspiracy hits the courts. His misdoings been publicly proven and adjudicated. Your allegations are just your allegations. We get that you want to distract, but you gotta do better than that to establish the games rigged and the field slanted.
 

oldjones

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Yeah, with the help of Clayton Ruby, for free!
So he shouldn't have had a lawyer? Or do you only get to go to court if you're a millionaire trust fund kid like Rob?

The real question is why Rob, who we all know to be Pure As The Driven Snow, couldn't find a pro bono lawyer to help the poor picked-on Mayor and his wonderful foundation.

But hey, he bought the best. Still lost.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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It wasn't the media that took Rob to court, it was a citizen. The media reported eHealth and ORNGE not McNasty, now you want them to play prosecutor as well? You're the one asking why those evildoers are not being prosecuted. You do know that for a fact I trust?

I don't see where you get off complaining no one's doing what you want them to do. Why should they do it for you? If a twentysomething can get the Mayor removed from office, and these other guys are so much worse, what's stopping you?
Yeah, I'm too busy working though, jones. Maybe you should take some of your old age pension money, stop wasting it on hookers old enough to be your grandaughter, and spend it on doing an investigation of your own

Just as odd as Mr Clement's spending indiscretion for the G20/8 meetings.
How about the closure of the long-gun registry? After all the money that had been spent on developing it and with all the police departments opposing the shutdown...
And how many of those people lost their job over all that??

This was totally initiated by the left. Anyone who argues that is delusional. However, Ford left the door wide open for them to waltz right in
Agreed. Ford played it very dumb.

Good article by Warmington: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/26/mayor-ford-sacked-himself
 

oldjones

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Yeah, I'm too busy working though, jones.…edit…
Then I guess it was pointless for you to make that statement:
But its just kinda odd how a billion dollar eHealth scam slips through the cracks, and yet a $3,100 indiscretion gets pursued with such vigour
in the first place wasn't it? You knew the reason: You and most of us are letting the system go on as it has, faults virtues and all, but not everyone's so accepting. BTW, if it slipped through the cracks, how do you even know about eHealth? Or are you talking about prosecutions, and how even pending and just possible ones should be publicized so we can vilify people without evidence?

Nothing odd about blaming everyone else—you've blamed me, the media and the prosecutors—for one's own failings, very human. Just annoying when it's posted in a discussion.

But let's not blame someone who actually got something useful and proper done instead of just talking. Even if suggesting that one guy is a whole lefty conspiracy is a sort of compliment.
 

fuji

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who took him to court????? he is conected to the unions
Plainly the effort to take him to court was organized by Ford's political enemies, but it was wrongdoing by Ford that enabled that. The judge ruled on the facts.

Ford brought thus on himself by believing he was above the law and that he could ignore the rules. He was wrong about that, he is not above the law.
 

Captain Fantastic

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This was totally initiated by the left. Anyone who argues that is delusional.
Actually, it was initiated by Rob Ford's actions. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? Does your overwhelming partisanship blind you to the facts? Talk about delusional...

No one forced Rob Ford to act the way he did initially - and along every step of the way since... It all could have ended if he had just done the right thing (paid back the money) and/or admitted he was wrong/ignorant/whatever (during the various hearings, etc.), instead of fighting it and blatantly thumbing his nose at the rules and law.
 

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2009-10: Rob Ford uses city staff on multiple occasions over more than a year to send out donation requests to official city lobbyists using official city letterhead. Despite complaints from residents, and despite having been formally instructed twice by the city integrity commissioner to not use city resources/letterhead, Ford ignores the warnings and continues to solicit donations on City letterhead, prepared by his city staff.

After yet another resident complaint the city’s integrity commissioner, Janet Leiper (after having provided Ford TWO prior written warnings), finds that Ford’s actions violate city council’s code of conduct rules regarding the use of city staff and city resources.

August 2010: City council accepts the integrity commissioner’s findings and orders that Councillor Ford pay back $3,150 donated to his football foundation by official lobbyists. Ford participates in the discussion and voted in his favour despite being specifically publicly advised by the Speaker that he was in a potential conflict of interest.

October 2012: Ford elected as Mayor.

February 2012: 18 months later, Ford has still not paid back the $3,150. A motion is raised to excuse him from repaying the money. Despite Ford not having repaid the money as ordered by city council, councillors vote in favour of rescinding the previous motion and allow Ford to keep his money.

Ford votes in favour of the motion during February’s council session and does not declare a conflict of interest.

March 2012: Clayton Ruby, on behalf of Toronto resident Paul Magdar, files a conflict of interest lawsuit against Ford claiming he contravened the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act during the February city council session during which he voted in favour of a motion that benefitted him financially.

My view is the Ford has no-one to blame but himself. Speaking frankly, I don't think he is very bright.
 

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First the mayor brought this upon himself. Second the Judge said the bylaw is very poorly written the only choice he had was "the death penalty" even though the "crime" committed was extremely minor and what was done benefited the public at large not the mayor personally.
 

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IS he steeling money or some thing.paper trail. this is a joke right.is he doing a good job in office?he is a clown.
 

fuji

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First the mayor brought this upon himself. Second the Judge said the bylaw is very poorly written the only choice he had was "the death penalty" even though the "crime" committed was extremely minor and what was done benefited the public at large not the mayor personally.
Yup. That's the problem with mandatory minimum sentences, which this basically is--there is always some case where it isn't really appropriate, but the judge's hands are tied.
 

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This is a shameful example of Canadian democracy being negated by mere politics. Those who rejoice at this just because they don't like a particular politician, are not democrats. Shameful to see us waste our democracy, no matter how much you may hate Rob Ford.
 

fuji

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This is a shameful example of Canadian democracy being negated by mere laws. Those who rejoice at this just because they don't like a particular politician, are not democrats. Shameful to see us waste our democracy, no matter how much you may hate Rob Ford.

I fixed your post. Being elected doesn't entitle you to start ignoring the law of the land. No-one is above the law.
 

Art Mann

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This is a shameful example of Canadian democracy being negated by mere politics. Those who rejoice at this just because they don't like a particular politician, are not democrats. Shameful to see us waste our democracy, no matter how much you may hate Rob Ford.
It's not politics. It's ethics.

Go back and read fijiman's excellent summary in this post:


2009-10: Rob Ford uses city staff on multiple occasions over more than a year to send out donation requests to official city lobbyists using official city letterhead. Despite complaints from residents, and despite having been formally instructed twice by the city integrity commissioner to not use city resources/letterhead, Ford ignores the warnings and continues to solicit donations on City letterhead, prepared by his city staff. ...


Ford votes in favour of the motion during February’s council session and does not declare a conflict of interest.

March 2012: Clayton Ruby, on behalf of Toronto resident Paul Magdar, files a conflict of interest lawsuit against Ford claiming he contravened the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act during the February city council session during which he voted in favour of a motion that benefitted him financially.
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CapitalGuy

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I fixed your post. Being elected doesn't entitle you to start ignoring the law of the land. No-one is above the law.
No, you broke my post. But keep deluding yourself into thinking democracy and Toronto have been well-served by this witchhunt. No, seriously, keep arguing that this is actually a big deal and we should all lose our mayor (whether you love him or hate him) over such nonsense. Please, seriously we are interested in your ramblings.
 
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