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my point is if ford was doing anything corrupt in this specific instance he would have kept it hidden. he made the simple mistake of using that letterhead and his enemies exploited it.
Even the judge said there was no corruption.

While I don't particularly care (I'm a 905'er), there has to be something slightly wrong with with removing an elected official for this. Customers regularly strong arm me for donations for their favorite causes and I campaign suppliers on behalf of Princess (pay up fuji) Margaret. I don't feel as if I have done the slightest thing wrong - of course there is no threat of moving business.

Here's hoping someone blindsides Adam Vaughan for something similar.
 

JackBurton

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Aside from the support the conservatives are trying to drum up by making this argument that its the lefties who conspire against ford (which is horseshit, conservatives have always needed someone else to blame, even if its an imaginary foe) Ford simply is not capable or even competent to run Canada's largest city and the heart of our economy. If I was big business, I'd be looking for other cities to move my work to while ford was in office fucking around, shitting the bed and darn it all, being annoyed with that pesky second job of his as mayor while he fucked off on company time to go play football with kids.

The guy is clearly not able to get his own house in order, what makes anyone think he's remotely capable of steering Toronto in a favourable direction? None that I know of.

Put aside the entertainment value and judge it from a business point of view and you will understand what that fuck up had to go. He does more good being absent than being at work. If I had an employee that had his track record, I wouldn't have waited 2 yrs to fire his lazy fucking ass.
 

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Although i'm glad this buffoon will no longer represent our city, I can't help but question why such a seemingly trivial issue was the catalyst. He openly admitted to a DUI, and conveniently "forgot" that he was also in possession of marijuana. Fine if that's what you wanna do, but do not get behind the wheel of a car and then pretend it didn't happen.

If that isn't enough, he was charged with domestic assault and uttering death threats to his wife. Yes, I realize he was not convicted, but the stats tell us that false or distorted allegations rarely happen (like 2%) in such cases.

I was shocked and disheartened that he got in in the first place. There was no shortage of documentation about his character - in these incidents - and otherwise. Yet, enough Torontonians either weren't aware or didn't care to be aware that this is who would run our city.

Whether or not he is successful in his appeal, at least the gravy train will be on its way out.
 

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And how did Ford get elected? Simple, people tired of smooth talking politicians who continue to raise taxes, waste money and increase debt. The people who voted for him are smart with their money and expect their elected officials to be the same with their money. They know it doesn't make sense to carry a lot of debt and waste money on interest. They don't like needless spending and want their politicians to respect their tax dollars. Not piss it away like so many have in the past.
I wish that this were only true.

The fact is that the people who voted for him were essentially naive children (remove the comma from your quote about "Simple people" and you have it right) who believed that there were hundreds of millions of dollars in 'gravy' at city hall. They believed that Ford would, as he explicitly promised, find these millions of dollars in waste, lower taxes without cutting services. Believed what all children believe, that they could have their cake and eat it too. And worse, they were not conned by some smooth talking politician; but a blundering, entitled, privileged buffoon of a politician-who to this day has never put in an honest day's work in his rich boy life.
 

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If I had an employee that had his track record, I wouldn't have waited 2 yrs to fire his lazy fucking ass.[/QUOTE]

I'd make him president !!!!!
 

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Although i'm glad this buffoon will no longer represent our city, I can't help but question why such a seemingly trivial issue was the catalyst. He openly admitted to a DUI, and conveniently "forgot" that he was also in possession of marijuana. Fine if that's what you wanna do, but do not get behind the wheel of a car and then pretend it didn't happen.

If that isn't enough, he was charged with domestic assault and uttering death threats to his wife. Yes, I realize he was not convicted, but the stats tell us that false or distorted allegations rarely happen (like 2%) in such cases.

I was shocked and disheartened that he got in in the first place. There was no shortage of documentation about his character - in these incidents - and otherwise. Yet, enough Torontonians either weren't aware or didn't care to be aware that this is who would run our city.

Whether or not he is successful in his appeal, at least the gravy train will be on its way out.
From his numerous encounters with the police, to his multiple court appearances, seems like Rob is taking the grand tour of Canada's justice system. Hopefully his next stop is Canada's correctional services.
 

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Aside from the support the conservatives are trying to drum up by making this argument that its the lefties who conspire against ford (which is horseshit...
You don't think this was motivated by the left? You're delusional.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cityhallpolitics/article/1293535--adam-chaleff-freudenthaler-the-27-year-old-who-triggered-rob-ford-s-downfall

In the wake of Mayor Rob Ford’s stunning ouster from office on Monday, someone started a “Thank You Paul Magder” group on Facebook.

The group would have more aptly been called Thank You Adam Chaleff-Freudenthaler.

Magder, a businessman, was the Average Joe face of the lawsuit that brought Ford down. Celebrated lawyer Clayton Ruby tried the case pro bono. But it was Chaleff-Freudenthaler — labour relations professional, Ryerson student, near-lifelong left-leaning activist, canny observer of City Hall procedure, 28 years old on Wednesday — who set the wheels in motion from the shadows.

Ontario Superior Court Justice Charles Hackland found Ford breached the province’s conflict of interest law when he voted in February to excuse himself from paying back a total of $3,150 to lobbyists whose donations to his football foundation he improperly accepted.

Ford, who plans to appeal, will remain mayor for at least the two-week grace period Hackland allowed. He will immediately seek a “stay” that would let him keep his job until the end of the appeals process.

If the stay request is denied, council will have until the second week of February to decide whether to appoint a new mayor, who would serve until December 2014, or call a byelection that would cost about $7 million. Lawyers differed on whether Hackland’s ruling prevents Ford from running in a byelection.

For now, at least, the larger-than-life mayor of Canada’s largest city has been banished over an error that went mostly unnoticed on the day it was committed — but that Chaleff-Freudenthaler thought worth pursuing.

“History will write him up as a hero,” left-leaning Councillor Joe Mihevc, who has known Chaleff-Freudenthaler since the latter’s childhood, said on Monday.

“He’s an obstructionist who’s never been happy with Rob Ford getting elected as mayor,” said right-leaning Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong.

Chaleff-Freudenthaler works as a labour relations specialist for the Association of Management, Administrative and Professional Crown Employees of Ontario, which represents provincial civil servants. He is taking night classes at Ryerson for a bachelor’s degree in public administration.

A member of the library board from 2007 to 2011, a former leader of the Toronto Youth Cabinet, and a familiar face at City Hall since his late teens, Chaleff-Freudenthaler is something of an expert in the workings of the city government. After Ford’s Feb. 7 speech and vote, he researched the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act to see if Ford had possibly broken the law.

He then spoke to Magder, whose children he went to school with and who had volunteered on his unsuccessful 2010 school trustee campaign. With Magder on board for a potential lawsuit, he contacted Ruby, whom he had never met, to ask if he would be interested in taking the case. Ruby agreed.

Magder and Ruby have spoken publicly about their challenge and Hackland’s decision. Chaleff-Freudenthaler has refused to do so.

Silence is unusual for him: he has been an activist since the fifth grade, when he fought the proposed closure of his alternative elementary school. He later co-founded a high school student network that protested the Iraq war and demanded tuition freezes from Mike Harris’s provincial government.

As an adult, he proved a formidable Ford foe even before Monday’s landmark triumph. His detailed challenge to Ford’s campaign financial practices prompted a city committee to order an audit that may soon result in Municipal Elections Act charges.

After an angry Doug Ford confronted him in a City Hall hallway, he filed a successful complaint to the integrity commissioner. Ford apologized on the council floor — though he later called Chaleff-Freudenthaler a “little snake.”

And as vice-chair of the library board, to which he was appointed under David Miller, Chaleff-Freudenthaler was one of the most vocal opponents of Rob Ford-proposed budget cuts that council ultimately rejected.

Ford told reporters Monday that the case “comes down to left-wing politics. The left wing wants me out of here and they’ll do anything in their power to (do so),” Ford said.

Mihevc, who endorsed Chaleff-Freudenthaler for trustee, scoffed. “Adam is a community advocate, and he believes in good government,” he said. “He’s a sharp thinker, and he believes in the city. I say all power to him. He did for the city — he and Paul, working with Clayton Ruby — an important service. And that is to call politicians to account for their behaviour.”

In 2003, NOW Magazine named Chaleff-Freudenthaler one of 10 local “teens taking over.” Its title for him: “The Tory toppler.”
He does more good being absent than being at work. If I had an employee that had his track record, I wouldn't have waited 2 yrs to fire his lazy fucking ass.
Why don't you check the facts before you make a statement like that.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1283739--football-and-all-mayor-rob-ford-s-attendance-better-than-david-miller-s

Mayor Rob Ford has a better council attendance record than 21 current councillors and than former mayor David Miller did during the last two years of his tenure.

Miller’s attendance record cannot be perfectly compared with Ford’s: until Ford’s mayoralty, thousands of individual votes were not recorded in the official meeting minutes, and data for Miller only covers his final two years in office; the Ford data covers his first two.

But of the 1,382 votes in 2009 and 2010 that were recorded, Miller missed 41.8 per cent, close to three times the percentage missed by Ford this term to date.
 

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You don't think this was motivated by the left? You're delusional.
Sorry but there is a reason why this happened to Ford and not to Miller or Lastman. Every politician has enemies and if Miller had recklessly disregarded the law you can bet the right would have gone after him.

Ford got into trouble because he arrogantly believes the law does not apply to him. He not on broke the law but boasted about doing so. He had a long track record of refusing to follow procedure or submit to mandatory oversight.

He brought this on himself. Sure, the left nailed the coffin shut, but Ford made the coffin and handed them the hammer and the nails.
 

oldjones

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And are you so unschooled you imagine all pols are friends and allies whatever their leanings? Of course it wasn't motivated by Ford's friends.

The judge however looked at the facts, and Ford not only had full opportunity to speak on his own behalf, he had a high-priced, and extremely accomplished lawyer doing his best to help him exonerate himself. They did not succeed, in fact they made it clear that Ford deliberately and consciously did what he did, thus closing off the only chance the judge had to let him off with a reprimand.

All well and good to say, '…the cops have always had it in for me', as many petty offenders do. It may even be true. But unless you're saying the judge is crooked or the evidence false, the bottom-line fact is you did the crime, you do the time.

Any smart guy who knew he had cops—or lefties—out to get him, would keep his nose clean, and listen to the advice of folks who told him how.

We even pay people to do that for the pols down at City Hall, and they even told Rob what to do. So he and Doug now want them outta their job for doing it, reading any criticism and every disagreement as 'bike-riding left-wing pinko' stuff. But that's another topic.
 

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Ah, you caught us.
All us lefties ganged together and made a conspiracy of one student to take down Ford.
We made Ford take those donations and then told him not to listen to council's 6 requests to repay it.
Then we made him go to all those football games during council meetings.
It was all our doing.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Ah, you caught us.
All us lefties ganged together and made a conspiracy of one student to take down Ford.
We made Ford take those donations and then told him not to listen to council's 6 requests to repay it.
Then we made him go to all those football games during council meetings.
It was all our doing
No, Ford carries responsibility in this as well.

But its just kinda odd how a billion dollar eHealth scam slips through the cracks, and yet a $3,100 indiscretion gets pursued with such vigour
 

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No, Ford carries responsibility in this as well.

But its just kinda odd how a billion dollar eHealth scam slips through the cracks, and yet a $3,100 indiscretion gets pursued with such vigour
I guess you don't care enough about a billion dollars to do the sort of work the Star story says it took to get Rob. Since it's a matter of real money, just what is stopping you? Or Tim Hudak, or Ezra of The Sun, or … ? Prosecutions don't happen by magic, especially in these times of deficit.

Just who are you imagining you're attaching blame to?
 

Mervyn

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No, Ford carries responsibility in this as well.

But its just kinda odd how a billion dollar eHealth scam slips through the cracks, and yet a $3,100 indiscretion gets pursued with such vigour
It's not about the money , it about him voting in council to not pay the money. Council did vote in favour of not requiring him to pay the funds, and his vote would have not swayed the outcome of that vote, but he should have abstained from that vote.

That's what I think makes this frustrating for most people, many view this as a good deed being punished because he didn't follow procedure, and those councillors who buy themselves expensive retirement parties, make questionable purchases with their budget, or even go over budget due to things like overuse of taxis etc.

A conflict of interest vote though is something you should not have to read a handbook to know not to do, and I'm amazed frankly that there doesn't seem to be any mechanism in council to stop such a vote from occuring.
 

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its all politically motvated to remove him from office. forgot the name, he took thousands of office budget funds to give himself a going away party..
 

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its all politically motvated to remove him from office. forgot the name, he took thousands of office budget funds to give himself a going away party..
Every criminal in prison thinks that they shouldn't be there, that it was all a big conspiracy. Well, certainly Ford's political adversaries took advantage of his screw-ups.

But it was Ford that screwed up, and it was an Ontario Superior Court Judge--not council--that removed him from office.
 

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No, Ford carries responsibility in this as well.

But its just kinda odd how a billion dollar eHealth scam slips through the cracks, and yet a $3,100 indiscretion gets pursued with such vigour
Just as odd as Mr Clement's spending indiscretion for the G20/8 meetings.
How about the closure of the long-gun registry? After all the money that had been spent on developing it and with all the police departments opposing the shutdown...
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I guess you don't care enough about a billion dollars to do the sort of work the Star story says it took to get Rob. Since it's a matter of real money, just what is stopping you?
Its the media's job to uncover these stories, not mine.

Not sure what you're getting at oldjones, you want me to play crime reporter??
 

Mervyn

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its all politically motvated to remove him from office. forgot the name, he took thousands of office budget funds to give himself a going away party..
I believe that was Kyle Rae.

I seriously doubt this was a conspiracy by the left to force Ford too make a conflict of interest, while the person who filed the suit may very well be left leaning , that doesn't change the fact Ford did make the mistake.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Surprise......surprise....it was a far Left leaning activist who got the ball rolling:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cit...27-year-old-who-triggered-rob-ford-s-downfall



Meet Adam Chaleff-Freudenthaler: The 27-year-old who triggered Rob Ford’s downfall

In the wake of Mayor Rob Ford’s stunning ouster from office on Monday, someone started a “Thank You Paul Magder” group on Facebook.

The group would have more aptly been called Thank You Adam Chaleff-Freudenthaler.

Magder, a businessman, was the Average Joe face of the lawsuit that brought Ford down. Celebrated lawyer Clayton Ruby tried the case pro bono. But it was Chaleff-Freudenthaler — labour relations professional, Ryerson student, near-lifelong left-leaning activist, canny observer of City Hall procedure, 28 years old on Wednesday — who set the wheels in motion from the shadows.

Ontario Superior Court Justice Charles Hackland found Ford breached the province’s conflict of interest law when he voted in February to excuse himself from paying back a total of $3,150 to lobbyists whose donations to his football foundation he improperly accepted.

Ford, who plans to appeal, will remain mayor for at least the two-week grace period Hackland allowed. He will immediately seek a “stay” that would let him keep his job until the end of the appeals process.

If the stay request is denied, council will have until the second week of February to decide whether to appoint a new mayor, who would serve until December 2014, or call a byelection that would cost about $7 million. Lawyers differed on whether Hackland’s ruling prevents Ford from running in a byelection.

For now, at least, the larger-than-life mayor of Canada’s largest city has been banished over an error that went mostly unnoticed on the day it was committed — but that Chaleff-Freudenthaler thought worth pursuing.

“History will write him up as a hero,” left-leaning Councillor Joe Mihevc, who has known Chaleff-Freudenthaler since the latter’s childhood, said on Monday.

“He’s an obstructionist who’s never been happy with Rob Ford getting elected as mayor,” said right-leaning Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong.

Chaleff-Freudenthaler works as a labour relations specialist for the Association of Management, Administrative and Professional Crown Employees of Ontario, which represents provincial civil servants. He is taking night classes at Ryerson for a bachelor’s degree in public administration.

A member of the library board from 2007 to 2011, a former leader of the Toronto Youth Cabinet, and a familiar face at City Hall since his late teens, Chaleff-Freudenthaler is something of an expert in the workings of the city government. After Ford’s Feb. 7 speech and vote, he researched the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act to see if Ford had possibly broken the law.

He then spoke to Magder, whose children he went to school with and who had volunteered on his unsuccessful 2010 school trustee campaign. With Magder on board for a potential lawsuit, he contacted Ruby, whom he had never met, to ask if he would be interested in taking the case. Ruby agreed.

Magder and Ruby have spoken publicly about their challenge and Hackland’s decision. Chaleff-Freudenthaler has refused to do so.

Silence is unusual for him: he has been an activist since the fifth grade, when he fought the proposed closure of his alternative elementary school. He later co-founded a high school student network that protested the Iraq war and demanded tuition freezes from Mike Harris’s provincial government.

As an adult, he proved a formidable Ford foe even before Monday’s landmark triumph. His detailed challenge to Ford’s campaign financial practices prompted a city committee to order an audit that may soon result in Municipal Elections Act charges.

After an angry Doug Ford confronted him in a City Hall hallway, he filed a successful complaint to the integrity commissioner. Ford apologized on the council floor — though he later called Chaleff-Freudenthaler a “little snake.”

And as vice-chair of the library board, to which he was appointed under David Miller, Chaleff-Freudenthaler was one of the most vocal opponents of Rob Ford-proposed budget cuts that council ultimately rejected.

Ford told reporters Monday that the case “comes down to left-wing politics. The left wing wants me out of here and they’ll do anything in their power to (do so),” Ford said.

Mihevc, who endorsed Chaleff-Freudenthaler for trustee, scoffed. “Adam is a community advocate, and he believes in good government,” he said. “He’s a sharp thinker, and he believes in the city. I say all power to him. He did for the city — he and Paul, working with Clayton Ruby — an important service. And that is to call politicians to account for their behaviour.”

In 2003, NOW Magazine named Chaleff-Freudenthaler one of 10 local “teens taking over.” Its title for him: “The Tory toppler.”
 
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