lol somalia is a wartorn country with roaming gangs of pirates, why do you think the economy is fucked? would you want to open a business in somalia? yet alone go there even for a visit? instead of somalia, look at ethiopia which is a booming business friendly country with a small and stable govt where there is LAW AND ORDER. the role of govt is to protect its citizens and keep law and order, not to provide health care for example. haiti for example has a huge govt and its corrupt which is why the economy is in the shitter govt is too big, somalia has NO GOVT, its the wild west....idiot
Will the SCOUS Strike Down Any Part of Obamacare?
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The vast majority of people in the first world would disagree with your contention that the purpose of a government does not include providing healthcare. Moron. For some reason you think that because you declare the purpose of government to be X that has some value. Your ideas are really just in line with some radical militia groups in the US and not many other folks in the first world. Do you ever wonder why that is?lol somalia is a wartorn country with roaming gangs of pirates, why do you think the economy is fucked? would you want to open a business in somalia? yet alone go there even for a visit? instead of somalia, look at ethiopia which is a booming business friendly country with a small and stable govt where there is LAW AND ORDER. the role of govt is to protect its citizens and keep law and order, not to provide health care for example. haiti for example has a huge govt and its corrupt which is why the economy is in the shitter govt is too big, somalia has NO GOVT, its the wild west....idiot
And if you think Ethopia or Singapore or so amazing...why arn't you on a plane?
The German economy is doing quite well, and that country is very socialized. It seems social evolution has passed you by my dinosaur friend.
If I could I would move to singapore, ideally id like to leave canada for asia when I start my career in the financial industry. why would you want healthcare from the govt? everything the govt does it sucks at compared to the private sector it makes no sense. would you buy a govt made car for less quality and twice the price? it just makes no sense to me maybe youve never been in a canadian hospital before to see all its problems, I work in a hospital and its one of the best in canada and its a disaster I could imagine what hospitals are like in smaller cities. are govt bureaucrats who can't make it in the real world smarter and more efficient than those who work in the private sector that can be fired very easily for poor performance? you deal with private businesses all the time, there is competition which gives you lower prices and better service, wouldnt you want that for healthcare instead of poor service, long wait times, and on top of that your tax money is blown on waste?The vast majority of people in the first world would disagree with your contention that the purpose of a government does not include providing healthcare. Moron. For some reason you think that because you declare the purpose of government to be X that has some value. Your ideas are really just in line with some radical militia groups in the US and not many other folks in the first world. Do you ever wonder why that is?
And if you think Ethopia or Singapore or so amazing...why arn't you on a plane?
The German economy is doing quite well, and that country is very socialized. It seems social evolution has passed you by my dinosaur friend.
yeah germany is doing ok, when compared to the g7, but its DESPITE all their socialism. if they were like china or singapore or ethiopia, phillipines etc they would be growing as FAST as these countries which they are not by a longshot. germany also has a high level of debt.
Actually government delivered health care is significantly cheaper and has better outcomes than private healthcare in first world countries. Of course the only first world country with private health care is the United States.If I could I would move to singapore, ideally id like to leave canada for asia when I start my career in the financial industry. why would you want healthcare from the govt? everything the govt does it sucks at compared to the private sector it makes no sense. would you buy a govt made car for less quality and twice the price? it just makes no sense to me maybe youve never been in a canadian hospital before to see all its problems, I work in a hospital and its one of the best in canada and its a disaster I could imagine what hospitals are like in smaller cities. are govt bureaucrats who can't make it in the real world smarter and more efficient than those who work in the private sector that can be fired very easily for poor performance? you deal with private businesses all the time, there is competition which gives you lower prices and better service, wouldnt you want that for healthcare instead of poor service, long wait times, and on top of that your tax money is blown on waste?
Feel free to keep making shit up, but outcomes are better and the services are cheaper in government run systems. Waits are indeed longer. But if what you want is what I call "McMedicine" which is cheaper but not as good quality, feel free to move.
You can leave any time you want. Unless mommy and daddy won't let you.
the u.s. doesnt have private healthcare its a hybrid, it used to be totally private pre 1960 insurance was cheap and very affordable. but anyway, youll see what happens when one of your parents or yourself gets cancer, have fun waiting a week or more in the hospital waiting to get all your tests done instead of all in one day, not knowing whats going on. dealing with all the shitty unionized support staff and nurses who don;t give a fuck. then once you do find out what you have instead of starting treatment wuickly ull be waiting 6 weeks for a specialist, goes on and on. canadians like you are so brainwashed by govt run healthcare you dont even realize that animals get much better healthcare than humans in this countryActually government delivered health care is significantly cheaper and has better outcomes than private healthcare in first world countries. Of course the only first world country with private health care is the United States.
Feel free to keep making shit up, but outcomes are better and the services are cheaper in government run systems. Waits are indeed longer. But if what you want is what I call "McMedicine" which is cheaper but not as good quality, feel free to move.
You can leave any time you want. Unless mommy and daddy won't let you.
Sure thing cowboy. Your problem is I have had a parent, friends and family in fights with cancer, all in Canada, and I was impressed by the care they got. I have dealt with outstanding nurses and doctors, and deal with them all the time in my work.the u.s. doesnt have private healthcare its a hybrid, it used to be totally private pre 1960 insurance was cheap and very affordable. but anyway, youll see what happens when one of your parents or yourself gets cancer, have fun waiting a week or more in the hospital waiting to get all your tests done instead of all in one day, not knowing whats going on. dealing with all the shitty unionized support staff and nurses who don;t give a fuck. then once you do find out what you have instead of starting treatment wuickly ull be waiting 6 weeks for a specialist, goes on and on. canadians like you are so brainwashed by govt run healthcare you dont even realize that animals get much better healthcare than humans in this country
I am not brainwashed, I read and educate myself instead of spouting michigan militia shit. The simple fact is that in countries with full public health care they achieve better results at a better cost. Your babbling anecdotes won't change that. In fact even administrative costs are lower in government run health care systems for obvious reasons.
But why waste your time here, I-banking in Jakarta is calling you.
As it happens my father did have cancer and received care which was incredible. All covered by OHIP. Unlike my friend in California whose wife had breast Cancer and who had to mortgage the family home and have friend organize fund raiser for her. And she had insurance.the u.s. doesnt have private healthcare its a hybrid, it used to be totally private pre 1960 insurance was cheap and very affordable. but anyway, youll see what happens when one of your parents or yourself gets cancer, have fun waiting a week or more in the hospital waiting to get all your tests done instead of all in one day, not knowing whats going on. dealing with all the shitty unionized support staff and nurses who don;t give a fuck. then once you do find out what you have instead of starting treatment wuickly ull be waiting 6 weeks for a specialist, goes on and on. canadians like you are so brainwashed by govt run healthcare you dont even realize that animals get much better healthcare than humans in this country
I, my wife and my children have all been in the hospital on at least one occasion and we received excellent care and treatment.
The number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is debts incurred in connection with health care. It is shameful.
GOP types like to find the exception and repeat it often enough that people think it is the rule. We in Ontario should thank our lucky stars every day of the week that we have our health insurance plan. It is not perfect and can always be improved upon but we are very lucky nonetheless.
K listen buddy, I work in one of the premier hospitals in canada on a general medicine floor, you either made that up, are very lucky, or have low standards. but let me expand on something I said earlier, is free market healthcare failing animals in this country? I want the kind of service animals get.. fast efficient service and insurance is cheap. the govt is completely uninvolved in veterinary medicine and it shows. instead you want toronto transit commission style healthcareAs it happens my father did have cancer and received care which was incredible. All covered by OHIP. Unlike my friend in California whose wife had breast Cancer and who had to mortgage the family home and have friend organize fund raiser for her. And she had insurance.
I, my wife and my children have all been in the hospital on at least one occasion and we received excellent care and treatment.
The number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is debts incurred in connection with health care. It is shameful.
GOP types like to find the exception and repeat it often enough that people think it is the rule. We in Ontario should thank our lucky stars every day of the week that we have our health insurance plan. It is not perfect and can always be improved upon but we are very lucky nonetheless.
If you work in the healthcare system you sure are ignorant of how health works here and elsewhere. Do you clean bedpans? Are you bitter some nurse refused to bang you? I have hundreds of clients who rave to me about the quality of nursing care they get.K listen buddy, I work in one of the premier hospitals in canada on a general medicine floor, you either made that up, are very lucky, or have low standards. but let me expand on something I said earlier, is free market healthcare failing animals in this country? I want the kind of service animals get in this country. fast efficient service and insurance is cheap. the govt is completely uninvolved in veterinary medicine and it shows. instead you want toronto transit commission style healthcare
And if you an animal and they don't want to spend the money of you, they are happy to put you down for free.
Insurance is not cheap, and the US does not produce better outcomes. Your delusions won't change any of the realities.
lol you have no idea how much money is wasted! don;t be so naive an educated man such as yourself im sure has read all about how our tax money is squandered. we buy appliances we don;t need at double market value, we throw out thousands of dollars of supplies daily hospital wide, instead of hiring more frontline staff we hire all these useless people in administration. many support staff which is basic manual labour take home over 60k a year. we bought blackberries for all the nursing staff at $800 a piece that they can only use at work for work related stuff that they don;t take home, they never use the phones. we bought a plasma samsung TV that was broken in 1 month so we bought another one. the list goes on and on your tax money is jsut pissed away.Sure thing cowboy. Your problem is I have had a parent, friends and family in fights with cancer, all in Canada, and I was impressed by the care they got. I have dealt with outstanding nurses and doctors, and deal with them all the time in my work.
I am not brainwashed, I read and educate myself instead of spouting michigan militia shit. The simple fact is that in countries with full public health care they achieve better results at a better cost. Your babbling anecdotes won't change that. In fact even administrative costs are lower in government run health care systems for obvious reasons.
But why waste your time here, I-banking in Jakarta is calling you.
If you work in the healthcare system you sure are ignorant of how health works here and elsewhere. Do you clean bedpans? Are you bitter some nurse refused to bang you? I have hundreds of clients who rave to me about the quality of nursing care they get.
And if you an animal and they don't want to spend the money of you, they are happy to put you down for free.
Insurance is not cheap, and the US does not produce better outcomes. Your delusions won't change any of the realities.
IM NOT TALKING ABOUT AMERICA, stop talking about america its a horrible example that isnt free market, there are better examples worldwide. stop trying to blow smoke, healthcare costs are so high in america bc of govt and with obamacare its going to get worse. the example I used was veterinary care in canada. if your dog needs an operation itll get it within 24 hours or less, fast efficient service what is done for your animal in one day it would take a week or more for a human in a canadian hospital. plus animal health insurance is very cheap. another example is LASIX eye surgery, the govt is uninvolved in that its just the free market, quality has been improving and prices are going down
I have no idea where you work but my father was in Mnt. Sinai, I was in TGH, my wife was in TGH and both of my kids have been in Sick Kids. I have similar examples with other friends and relatives. Although I have no doubt there are horror stories out there I have never directly or indirectly encountered one. The cumulative cots of my families services I am sure would be in the many hundreds of thousands of dollars. The cost to me exactly the cost of TV rental and magazines.K listen buddy, I work in one of the premier hospitals in canada on a general medicine floor, you either made that up, are very lucky, or have low standards. but let me expand on something I said earlier, is free market healthcare failing animals in this country? I want the kind of service animals get.. fast efficient service and insurance is cheap. the govt is completely uninvolved in veterinary medicine and it shows. instead you want toronto transit commission style healthcare
Then give us the better examples.IM NOT TALKING ABOUT AMERICA, stop talking about america its a horrible example that isnt free market, there are better examples worldwide. stop trying to blow smoke, healthcare costs are so high in america bc of govt and with obamacare its going to get worse. the example I used was veterinary care in canada. if your dog needs an operation itll get it within 24 hours or less, fast efficient service what is done for your animal in one day it would take a week or more for a human in a canadian hospital. plus animal health insurance is very cheap. another example is LASIX eye surgery, the govt is uninvolved in that its just the free market, quality has been improving and prices are going down
You do know just how stupid it looks when you compare the animal health system to the human one don't you? Why don't you use automobile mechanics? Plumbers?
By the way it is Lasik not Lasix.
Let me add to the list of those calling you on your BS. My immediate family had to battle the big C seven times, defeating it five times and every single one got amazing care at little financial cost to them or their family. You forgot the parking cost RLD. There as many experiences in my extended family with similar results. There are also seven other medical professional, not just workers on a general medicine floor, in that same circle who said the same about the care. These same medical professionals would have said something had it not been so, as they have done just that in the past.K listen buddy, I work in one of the premier hospitals in canada on a general medicine floor, you either made that up, are very lucky, or have low standards. but let me expand on something I said earlier, is free market healthcare failing animals in this country? I want the kind of service animals get.. fast efficient service and insurance is cheap. the govt is completely uninvolved in veterinary medicine and it shows. instead you want toronto transit commission style healthcare
If you think veterinary is cheap you have to lay off the cheap drugs from your medicine bowl. The government is also very involved in a veterinary care. Do you or have you ever owned pet (the animals in the labs at work don't count)?
Three times you recently mention you work in a hospital, but never mention medical training. Hmmmm. Somehow I suspect there is none. Mind you, I wouldn't expect much of that from someone in their mid 20's.
go get the best insurance you can for your dog and take a look at premiums. Insurance prices in the u.s. are high due to govt intervention, and now when scores of young people drop out of insrance bc of obamacare bc its cheaper than to pay fopr insurance they don't need and can buy when they need it, guess whats gonna happen to the premiums of those who keep their health insurance! of course none of the left will blame the spike in premiums on obamacare.If you work in the healthcare system you sure are ignorant of how health works here and elsewhere. Do you clean bedpans? Are you bitter some nurse refused to bang you? I have hundreds of clients who rave to me about the quality of nursing care they get.
And if you an animal and they don't want to spend the money of you, they are happy to put you down for free.
Insurance is not cheap, and the US does not produce better outcomes. Your delusions won't change any of the realities.
Now I know you are stupid and uniformed.go get the best insurance you can for your dog and take a look at premiums. Insurance prices in the u.s. are high due to govt intervention, and now when scores of young people drop out of insrance bc of obamacare bc its cheaper than to pay fopr insurance they don't need and can buy when they need it, guess whats gonna happen to the premiums of those who keep their health insurance! of course none of the left will blame the spike in premiums on obamacare.
Obamacare requires people to buy insurance from private companies. It does not provide government insurance for anyone. YOu have this completely backwards. It forces more people to buy private insurance.
Singapore can have you, but try not to get the whole concept backwards in your career in finance. That level of stupidity could land you in jail.
you people either ignore what im saying or spin it. I know obamacare forces you to buy private health insurance, but if you choose not to buy it you just pay a penalty to the irs. now, since an insurance company can;t turn you down for a pre existing condition, whats going to happen is young healthy people are going to either cancel their insurance and pay the penalty or not buy and pay the penaltyy, bc paying the penalty is cheaper in the longrun than paying monthly premiums. 20 years down the road or w/e when they get sick, they will then buy insurance and cant be turned down. this is going to fuck up the insurance indstry bc the less healthy people paying premiums the less money they have to pay for claims from the old and sick. which means premiums will rise for those with insurance. the population is aging not getting younger insurance companies are in big troubleNow I know you are stupid and uniformed.
Obamacare requires people to buy insurance from private companies. It does not provide government insurance for anyone. YOu have this completely backwards. It forces more people to buy private insurance.
Singapore can have you, but try not to get the whole concept backwards in your career in finance. That level of stupidity could land you in jail.
facts are facts. to see a specialist on average you are waiting 6-8 weeks, then you wait weeks again to start chemo, as with procedures like mri's etc. if you are happy with this poor level of service then fine but i'm not, animals don;t have to wait, when you go to a private hospital you don;t have to wait. people with money don;t get treated in canada they arnt stupid only simple minded folk like you love this system. look at herman cain he survived stage 4 colon and liver cancer, he would have died in canada due to red tape and delays without a doubt.Let me add to the list of those calling you on your BS. My immediate family had to battle the big C seven times, defeating it five times and every single one got amazing care at little financial cost to them or their family. You forgot the parking cost RLD. There as many experiences in my extended family with similar results. There are also seven other medical professional, not just workers on a general medicine floor, in that same circle who said the same about the care. These same medical professionals would have said something had it not been so, as they have done just that in the past.
If you think veterinary is cheap you have to lay off the cheap drugs from your medicine bowl. The government is also very involved in a veterinary care. Do you or have you ever owned pet (the animals in the labs at work don't count)?
Three times you recently mention you work in a hospital, but never mention medical training. Hmmmm. Somehow I suspect there is none. Mind you, I wouldn't expect much of that from someone in their mid 20's.
in my ideal world id like a completely free market health care system. I would pay for the little things out of pocket, and have insurance for big expenses that would cover my hospital stay, procedures etc. I would easily be able to afford it with all the tax money id save. this system not only would be the best bc you'd be getting fast and efficient service like what your pet receives but it would encourage canadians to look after themselves, encourage healthy living. as it stands now im paying for lazy slobs to go in and out of the system, abusers that tie up the system and cause overcrowding for the rest of us. when the time comes and I need good care it wont be there for me hopefully I am out of this country by then. you know in asia people save for retirement, healthcare expenses. they don;t rely on the govt to look after them. when the west ruled the world we were like this, but now we are drowning in socialism with poor economies and huge amounts of debt.
