that was a socialist act yeah, remember what I said about selling out to please voters? romney can;t be a socialist at heart because he was a successful businessman in the financial industry. compare that to obama who has been a govt employee all his life
Will the SCOUS Strike Down Any Part of Obamacare?
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That's been pointed out about four times in recent months, but he just doesn't/can't/won't get it. Does the phrase ''bag'o'hammers'' come to mind when you think of him?
he is, you would almost have me but there are big differences in what george soros believes vs romney. george soros is whacky but hes still a smart financier at least hes smart enough to have bought more gold unlike paul krugman
nope obamas is bigger. remember the supreme court has ruled its all a tax and its going to strike right in the middle of the worst economy since the great depression. I think that had the mandate been correctly called a penalty then based on that technicality reagans would have been bigger im not sure. obamas crew is still saying its a penalty which is blatently unconstitutional
non partisan study:
According to a survey released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association and reported today by the Daily Caller, eighty-three percent of American physicians have considered leaving their practices over President Barack Obama’s health care reform law.
Some of the other results concluded that 65% say government involvement is most to blame for the current problems; 72% say individual insurance mandate will not result in improved access care; 49% say they will stop accepting Medicaid patients, and 70% said reducing government would be single best fix.
The DPMA, a non-partisan association of doctors and patients, surveyed a random selection of 699 doctors nationwide. The survey found that the majority have thought about bailing out of their careers over the legislation, which was upheld last month by the Supreme Court.
Although some took issue with the insurance industry and lawyers, most other doctors went straight for the government as the main culprit of interfering with medicine, their careers, their patients, and their future.
Out of numerous comments on the survey, some of the comments by doctors in various medical fields were not shy on how they felt although most remained anonymous in the survey.
A Plastic Surgeon in Florida said, “Socialism promotes and enhances loss, despair and death. Socialism is anti-Hippocratic oath. Socialism is a lie, buried in a bed of lies. Socialism destroys hope, dreams and freedom. Socialism SINKS all boats, Socialism destroys prosperity.”
“The best chance for controlling cost is limiting government interference and increasing patient responsibility for cost. If the patient pays at time of service and files an insurance claim on their own, it reduces the likelihood of superfluous utilization, AND reduces insurance company denials since the patient is following up on their own claim. Also, removing insurance purchasing from employers makes insurers responsible to policy holder, not employers. Government regulations increase cost by imposing burdens for practices ("compliance officers", etc.) as well as increasing cost of doing business (FDA regs increase cost of medical equipment, for example), but the physicians cannot pass costs to patients because of insurer reimbursement model. The problem is multi-tiered, as will be the solution,” said a General Surgeon in Georgia.
Another General Surgeon from Illinois said, “Less government will mean better and less expensive medical care. Government is the problem, are there any long term Government run programs that aren't riddled with inefficiency and corruption?”
Two of the sampling of doctor comments went straight to the point and did not hold back on how they felt.
“The federal government needs to get the HELL out of the practice of medicine. Here's the bottom line: you cannot give away free medical care. Until they stop entitlements, this whole system is doomed, unfair, and chaotic,” said an Internal Medicine doctor from Washington and a Chiropractor in Missouri said, “Do not socialize medicine in this country!”
According to the survey’s general conclusions:
• Almost unanimous that medicine is on the wrong track, and overwhelmingly blame the government;
• Government-imposed solutions (PPACA, electronic health information) destined to fail;
• Highest numbers ever opting out of Medicare or refuse Medicaid;
• Vacuum in leadership in medical profession, feel abandoned by AMA & organized medicine;
• Corporate medicine (including hospital and insurance companies) is intentionally trying to destroy private practice;
• Doctors are pessimistic - failing financially & assume things will worsen;
• See doctors and patients as the solution - not government;
• Believe direct payment by patients will restore accountability & patient control;
• Restored autonomy, elimination of government involvement, increased patient responsibility and free market reforms are solutions.
The DPMA said, “Based on this survey, more are expected to follow in their footsteps.”
According to a survey released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association and reported today by the Daily Caller, eighty-three percent of American physicians have considered leaving their practices over President Barack Obama’s health care reform law.
Some of the other results concluded that 65% say government involvement is most to blame for the current problems; 72% say individual insurance mandate will not result in improved access care; 49% say they will stop accepting Medicaid patients, and 70% said reducing government would be single best fix.
The DPMA, a non-partisan association of doctors and patients, surveyed a random selection of 699 doctors nationwide. The survey found that the majority have thought about bailing out of their careers over the legislation, which was upheld last month by the Supreme Court.
Although some took issue with the insurance industry and lawyers, most other doctors went straight for the government as the main culprit of interfering with medicine, their careers, their patients, and their future.
Out of numerous comments on the survey, some of the comments by doctors in various medical fields were not shy on how they felt although most remained anonymous in the survey.
A Plastic Surgeon in Florida said, “Socialism promotes and enhances loss, despair and death. Socialism is anti-Hippocratic oath. Socialism is a lie, buried in a bed of lies. Socialism destroys hope, dreams and freedom. Socialism SINKS all boats, Socialism destroys prosperity.”
“The best chance for controlling cost is limiting government interference and increasing patient responsibility for cost. If the patient pays at time of service and files an insurance claim on their own, it reduces the likelihood of superfluous utilization, AND reduces insurance company denials since the patient is following up on their own claim. Also, removing insurance purchasing from employers makes insurers responsible to policy holder, not employers. Government regulations increase cost by imposing burdens for practices ("compliance officers", etc.) as well as increasing cost of doing business (FDA regs increase cost of medical equipment, for example), but the physicians cannot pass costs to patients because of insurer reimbursement model. The problem is multi-tiered, as will be the solution,” said a General Surgeon in Georgia.
Another General Surgeon from Illinois said, “Less government will mean better and less expensive medical care. Government is the problem, are there any long term Government run programs that aren't riddled with inefficiency and corruption?”
Two of the sampling of doctor comments went straight to the point and did not hold back on how they felt.
“The federal government needs to get the HELL out of the practice of medicine. Here's the bottom line: you cannot give away free medical care. Until they stop entitlements, this whole system is doomed, unfair, and chaotic,” said an Internal Medicine doctor from Washington and a Chiropractor in Missouri said, “Do not socialize medicine in this country!”
According to the survey’s general conclusions:
• Almost unanimous that medicine is on the wrong track, and overwhelmingly blame the government;
• Government-imposed solutions (PPACA, electronic health information) destined to fail;
• Highest numbers ever opting out of Medicare or refuse Medicaid;
• Vacuum in leadership in medical profession, feel abandoned by AMA & organized medicine;
• Corporate medicine (including hospital and insurance companies) is intentionally trying to destroy private practice;
• Doctors are pessimistic - failing financially & assume things will worsen;
• See doctors and patients as the solution - not government;
• Believe direct payment by patients will restore accountability & patient control;
• Restored autonomy, elimination of government involvement, increased patient responsibility and free market reforms are solutions.
The DPMA said, “Based on this survey, more are expected to follow in their footsteps.”
Fear not JAJA .....globalism will solve all that.
Just ask your fuzzy numbers boy bottie!
He has the fuzzy numbers to show ya!....
Then you are the first free market libertarian to praise the Cuban medical system, which is completely state run.
I think what you are is...confused.
Why do you suggest they are non-partisan?
And do you know the difference between a study and a survey?
Please show us the numbers that allow you to make this claim. It goes against a number of sources that says otherwise. That's numbers not more claims.
From; http://www.democraticwhip.gov/conte...istory-was-under-president-reagan-not-preside
Republicans are already claiming the President’s deficit reduction plan is the largest tax increase in history. But unfortunately for them, the facts don’t back them up. Drawing straight from their source, here are the facts:
- The Treasury Department working paper they’ve referenced compares the first four years of tax changes.
- They are using “inflation adjusted dollars,” which is an incorrect measure. Our economy is more than twice the size it was in the mid 1980s in inflation adjusted dollars. That means an identical tax change would be twice as large today in inflation adjusted dollars as in 1985. The correct measure should be “as a percentage of GDP,” as the working paper itself suggests:
- “The single best measure for most purposes is probably the revenue effect as a percentage of GDP, because it eliminates the effects of inflation, real economic growth, and the size of total federal receipts.”
- Conveniently, the Treasury Department working paper they’ve referenced does measure tax changes as a percentage of GDP. By this single best measure, the largest tax increase in modern history was under their conservative hero, President Ronald Reagan, in 1982, and was 25% larger than President Obama’s proposal.
also; http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/tax-analysis/Documents/ota81.pdf
.....but this is over 20 pages and I doubt you'll want to read that much
Uh no. On several levels and several points no. One could make a career and a half out of simply correcting your errors.
I blame the educational system.
I don't understand. The test you used for Romney was "romney can;t be a socialist at heart because he was a successful businessman in the financial industry." By that measure Soros should be less of a socialist. he made a lot more money than Romney in the financial industry. And Soros did not enact Romneycare which is pretty much the same as Obamacare.
well, I guess you could say george soros is so very rare considering he holds the beliefs that he does. Is he a hypocrit im not too sure. despite making more money in finance hes obviously further on the left than romney imo. they were both in the financial sector but geroge soros didnt work at bain capital doing what romney did. he was a hedge fund guy
So now it's on to another point. How about showing us those figures that show this tax increase is the largest ever.
What's all over the news 'are' clips of Republicans saying it is so, but still no figures from them or you. I was able to offer one report from a reliable source earlier to rebut it. Nice try.
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LOL. What about all the other Wall Streeters who support Obama? Are they all socialists?
