Will the SCOUS Strike Down Any Part of Obamacare?

The SCOTUS Will:

  • Find the entire law unconstitutional

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Find part of the law unconstitutional

    Votes: 13 59.1%
  • Find the law constitutional

    Votes: 9 40.9%

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toguy5252

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finally an honest post, but you have to understand the system is only going to get worse especially with all the boomers over age 60. the public sector always grows in cost and falls in quality look at public transit, canada post etc. the only solution is, cover your eyes.....privatization

That is because privatization has worked so wonderfully well in the US. The Canadian system is by no means perfect and it can certainly be improved but is is far far superior to the US system which is failing by every metric other than for the rich.
 

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That is because privatization has worked so wonderfully well in the US. The Canadian system is by no means perfect and it can certainly be improved but is is far far superior to the US system which is failing by every metric other than for the rich.
This is simply not true.

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msog87

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That is because privatization has worked so wonderfully well in the US. The Canadian system is by no means perfect and it can certainly be improved but is is far far superior to the US system which is failing by every metric other than for the rich.
the u.s. had a great system up until about the 1960's then the govt started getting heavily involved, obamacare is just another govt intervention in healthcare. the u.s. is not the capitalist country it used to be, china is much more free market than they are. america for example has the highest corporate tax rates in the world
 

toguy5252

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the u.s. had a great system up until about the 1960's then the govt started getting heavily involved, obamacare is just another govt intervention in healthcare. the u.s. is not the capitalist country it used to be, china is much more free market than they are. america for example has the highest corporate tax rates in the world
Obamacare is an attempt to insure the 40M people who have no insurance and to stem the number 1 cause of bankruptcies in the US. it is no more than that.
 

toguy5252

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thats the sad thing, if you are on the right and you are arguing with a socialist you have to keep repeating yourself, nothing sinks in
The truly sad thing is that to you and other GOP types anyone who does not buy into the party line is a socialist. that is really really fumy and simply demonstrates that you do not understand what socialism is.
 

msog87

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Obamacare is an attempt to insure the 40M people who have no insurance and to stem the number 1 cause of bankruptcies in the US. it is no more than that.
its unconstitutional, unaffordable cuz the u.s. is broke, its the largest middle class tax increase in american history, its going to raise insurance premiums as healthy people drop insurance coverage. its also going to kill jobs as its going to raise costs on employers, and gives an incentive to have less than 50 employees
 

msog87

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The truly sad thing is that to you and other GOP types anyone who does not buy into the party line is a socialist. that is really really fumy and simply demonstrates that you do not understand what socialism is.
you are a fan of big govt, you are a socialist
 

blackrock13

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thats the sad thing, if you are on the right and you are arguing with a socialist you have to keep repeating yourself, nothing sinks in
So everyone here on TERB who calls you on your BS is a socialist, wow. Your definition of socialist is really strange, as are most of your comments. It's been shown often enough in past threads, before your time of course, that the membership of TERB tend to be just left of centre, but then this is Canada. You really do love using labels, anyone who disagrees with your idiot remarks are Liberals or Socialists. You might also include smarter.
 

msog87

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Well then Regan and Bush are socialist by your definition. Look at the growth in govt and deficits under both and then compare to Clinton for example.
see reagan and bush werent socialists at heart, the problem is once elected the easy thing to do is spend borrowed money, to sell out and make voters feel good. reagan you could argue spent alot of money on the military bc of that phase of the cold war, when you cut taxes and increase spending its not healthy longterm. but youre right both of them spent too much money the debt increased under them. see a guy like ron paul would stick to his principles and would do the right thing, if he lost re-election than so be it
 

msog87

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So everyone here on TERB who calls you on your BS is a socialist, wow. Your definition of socialist is really strange, as are most of your comments. It's been shown often enough in past threads, before your time of course, that the membership of TERB tend to be just left of centre, but then this is Canada. You really do love using labels, anyone who disagrees with your idiot remarks are Liberals or Socialists. You might also include smarter.
ok, obviously you are one...I read what you say. You support obama on everything he does, why would you deny this? I don;t deny im a free market libertarian
 

toguy5252

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see reagan and bush werent socialists at heart, the problem is once elected the easy thing to do is spend borrowed money, to sell out and make voters feel good. reagan you could argue spent alot of money on the military bc of that phase of the cold war. but youre right both of them spent too much money the debt increased under them. see a guy like ron paul would stick to his principles and would do the right thing, if he lost re-election than so be it
So Regan and Bush weren't socialist at heart but you know that Obama and everyone who disagrees with you is. Is Romney a socialist?
 

msog87

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So Regan and Bush weren't socialist at heart but you know that Obama and everyone who disagrees with you is. Is Romney a socialist?
romney definitely isnt socialist, but hes pretty moderate. you could say he's a democrat that leans to the right. romney unfortunately is a sell out and will just do anything to get elected, he'll be another bush
 

toguy5252

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romney definitely isnt socialist, but hes pretty moderate. you could say he's a democrat that leans to the right. romney unfortunately is a sell out and will just do anything to get elected, he'll be another bush
Was he a socialist when he brought in Romneycare as governor of Mass.?
 

blackrock13

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its unconstitutional, unaffordable cuz the u.s. is broke, its the largest middle class tax increase in american history, its going to raise insurance premiums as healthy people drop insurance coverage. its also going to kill jobs as its going to raise costs on employers, and gives an incentive to have less than 50 employees
Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so.

Considering about 90% of the businesses in the US have less than 50 employee, you're fears aren't based on facts. As said in an earlier thread, this bill been on the books for a few months and jobs are being created, salaries are increasing, and people are working more. If it's such a job killer why is this happening? There is absolutely no evidence that this will happen. I've asked many times, for someone to show me any credible economics who says this and no one on TERB has done so. No need to wonder why.

Exactly how much will the tax be for the middle class? What will be the individual cost to each tax payer? not that I expect an answer from you, as usual.
 

msog87

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Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so.

Considering about 90% of the businesses in the US have less than 50 employee, you're fears aren't based on facts. As said in an earlier thread, this bill been on the books for a few months and jobs are being created, salaries are increasing, and people are working more. If it's such a job killer why is this happening? There is absolutely no evidence that this will happen. I've asked many times, for someone to show me any credible economics who says this and no one on TERB has done so. No need to wonder why.

Exactly how much will the tax be for the middle class? What will be the individual cost to each tax payer? not that I expect an answer from you, as usual.
yeah thats right, it cant be hurting the job market considering the job market is doing well....the job market is horrible even with record stimulus. I don't need to give you exact numbers, I don;t have them off the top of my head, but whats fact is its the largest middle class tax increase in american history when they are already struggling. since you believe the consumer drives the economy then that can't be good can it? the law has barely been implemented so just give it time. of course it could always be repealed
 
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