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gcostanza

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So, you're not going to answer the question.

Somehow, I'm not surprised.

By the way, baseball does not time its games. Perhaps you meant regulation innings.
 

gcostanza

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gcostanza

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Ask all the questions you want. I don't care if Canseco hits 200 HR's.
He hit 462, according to Major League Baseball's official records.
 

gcostanza

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gcostanza

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755 sounds good.

Are you okay with Babe Ruth's 714 home runs?
Hank Aaron was known to have taken amphetamines.

Babe Ruth played in a time where baseball was segregated.

Their numbers were affected by these issues.
 

The Oracle

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Hank Aaron was known to have taken amphetamines.

Babe Ruth played in a time where baseball was segregated.

Their numbers were affected by these issues.
With all respect I don't think amphetamines and anabolic/androgenic steroids can be compared on a PED level.

As for segregation, for sure there were some great athletes that were not allowed in the majors but just through population demographics alone the majority of professional baseball players would have been white.

So its not like every team would have had a Satchel Page on their staff.

Ruth's numbers would have been affected somewhat but not significantly.
 
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gcostanza

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With all respect I don't think amphetamines and anabolic/androgenic steroids and be compared on a PED level.
So, a certain degree of chemical enhancement is acceptable, but not all chemical enhancement is acceptable.


Got it.
 

gcostanza

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The Oracle

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So, a certain degree of chemical enhancement is acceptable, but not all chemical enhancement is acceptable.


Got it.
I don't think you are getting the point.

Amphetamines in a precision sport like baseball would be a poor PED choice however at the time that is all they had.

Given the choice Androgenic/ Anabolic steroids are vastly supereior as a PED.

Therefore to insinuate that Aaron taking amphetamines is somehow in the same PED ballpark as AAS is inappropriate.

Although both are chemicals I'm not sure that Amphetamines would be enhancing in any way.

The athletes at the time might have thought Amphetamines were enhancing however but there was a time when Cocaine was thought of in the same way too.
 

gcostanza

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More energy, more alertness. I think they helped. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
 

The Oracle

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More energy, more alertness. I think they helped. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Remember not to beat a dead horse but hitting in baseball is all about timing and Amphetamines just throw you off terribly.

One such example of this, is the manner in which local law enforcement perform field testing for those they suspect are impaired by such drugs.

While many may be aware of the simple "follow my pen" or "say the alphabet backwards", and the most common "Walk a straight line" test for those who are believed to be impaired by alcohol, the amphetamine test is very similar yet different - it tests an individual's timing.

"Take your right index finger, tough it to your nose. Close your eyes. Lean your head back. Now, count to 30 in your head and let me know when you are there."

- Suspect counts to 30 seconds in their head. Police officer though, has timed it to be about 6 or 7 seconds. Suspect is cautioned and arrested for suspicion of impairment by an amphetamine. Suspect is searched, and amphetimine residue is discovered.

Now, apply this to baseball. You time a pitcher's fastball, and you are amped up to hit it; but you are amped up to hit everything. So now apply that same timing principle, to when that pitcher throws a change-up or curveball. You have whiffed that bat like an 8 year old trying to hit a pitch from Jenny Finch.
 

Kilgore Trout

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Former Jay prospect Brett Wallace is really struggling with MLB pitching. Hitting .187 right now after about .310 in PCL with Las Vegas.

Seems like if you expect a PCL guy to hit .290 in MLB he better be a .390 hitter at least because that seems to be the conversion.

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=477165
 

tribunus

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Is there any doubt that Morrow is the staff ace? Cecil and Romero have good arms and above average stuff, but Morrow's stuff is elite. His slider is killer and I love how he can amp it to 97 mph when needed, while generally throwing around 93-94 with movement. And his delivery is free and easy, unlike that guy in Washington.
 

teassoc

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Is there any doubt that Morrow is the staff ace? Cecil and Romero have good arms and above average stuff, but Morrow's stuff is elite. His slider is killer and I love how he can amp it to 97 mph when needed, while generally throwing around 93-94 with movement. And his delivery is free and easy, unlike that guy in Washington.
Those forcasting doom and gloom for this season, obviously hadn't done their homework on the likely strength of Toronto's starting pitchers. Just need to find a reliable 5th pitcher.
 

Rockslinger

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Just heard they shut down Brandon Morrow. It isn't even September. This guy is a 26 year old adult male and he can't pitch into September?:confused: Guys, he is not a baby.
 
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