More Liberal Lies About National Healthcare!

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A Statistical Analysis of Maritime Unemployment Rates, 1946-1948. Just Kidding, More Liberal Lies About National Healthcare!
by Ann Coulter
09/30/2009


(17) America's low ranking on international comparisons of infant mortality proves other countries' socialist health care systems are better than ours.

America has had a comparatively high infant mortality rate since we've been measuring these things, going back to at least the '20s. This was the case long before European countries adopted their cradle-to-grave welfare schemes and all while the U.S. was the wealthiest country on Earth.

One factor contributing to the U.S.'s infant mortality rate is that blacks have intractably high infant mortality rates -- irrespective of age, education, socioeconomic status and so on. No one knows why.


Neither medical care nor discrimination can explain it: Hispanics in the U.S. have lower infant mortality rates than either blacks or whites. Give Switzerland or Japan our ethnically diverse population and see how they stack up on infant mortality rates.

Even with a higher-risk population, the alleged differences in infant mortality are negligible. We're talking about 7 infant deaths per 1,000 live births in the U.S. compared to 5 deaths per 1,000 for Britain and Canada. This is a rounding error -- perhaps literally when you consider that the U.S. tabulates every birth, even in poor, small and remote areas, while other countries are not always so meticulous.

But the international comparisons in "infant mortality" rates aren't comparing the same thing, anyway. We also count every baby who shows any sign of life, irrespective of size or weight at birth.

By contrast, in much of Europe, babies born before 26 weeks' gestation are not considered "live births." Switzerland only counts babies who are at least 30 centimeters long (11.8 inches) as being born alive. In Canada, Austria and Germany, only babies weighing at least a pound are considered live births.

And of course, in Milan it's not considered living if the baby isn't born within driving distance of the Côte d'Azur.

By excluding the little guys, these countries have simply redefined about one-third of what we call "infant deaths" in America as "miscarriages."

Moreover, many industrialized nations, such as France, Hong Kong and Japan -- the infant mortality champion -- don't count infant deaths that occur in the 24 hours after birth. Almost half of infant deaths in the U.S. occur in the first day.

Also contributing to the higher mortality rate of U.S. newborns: Peter Singer lives here.

But members of Congress, such as Reps. Dennis Kucinich, Jim Moran and John Olver, have all cited the U.S.'s relatively poor ranking in infant mortality among developed nations as proof that our medical care sucks. This is despite the fact that in many countries a baby born the size of Dennis Kucinich would not be considered a live birth.

Apart from the fact that we count -- and try to save -- all our babies, infant mortality is among the worst measures of a nation's medical care because so much of it is tied to lifestyle choices, such as the choice to have children out of wedlock, as teenagers or while addicted to crack.

The main causes of infant mortality -- aside from major birth defects -- are prematurity and low birth-weight. And the main causes of low birth-weight are: smoking, illegitimacy and teenage births. Americans lead most of the developed world in all three categories. Oh, and thank you for that, Britney Spears.

Although we have a lot more low birth-weight and premature babies for both demographic and lifestyle reasons, at-risk newborns are more likely to survive in America than anywhere else in the world. Japan, Norway and the other countries with better infant mortality rates would see them go through the roof if they had to deal with the same pregnancies that American doctors do.

As Nicholas Eberstadt demonstrates in his book "The Tyranny of Numbers: Mismeasurement and Misrule," American hospitals do so well with low birth-weight babies that if Japan had our medical care with their low birth-weight babies, another third of their babies would survive, making it even harder for an American kid to get into MIT.

But I think it's terrific that liberals are finally willing to start looking at outcomes to judge a system. I say we start right away with the public schools!

In international comparisons, American 12th-graders rank in the 14th percentile in math and the 29th percentile in science. The U.S. outperformed only Cyprus and South Africa in general math and science knowledge. Worse, Asian countries didn't participate in the last 12th-grade assessment tests.

Imagine how much worse our public schools would look -- assuming that were possible -- if we allowed other countries to exclude one-half of their worst performers!

That's exactly what liberals are doing when they tout America's rotten infant mortality rate compared to other countries. They look for any category that makes our medical care look worse than the rest of the world -- and then neglect to tell us that the rest of the world counts our premature and low birth-weight babies as "miscarriages."

As long as American liberals are going to keep announcing that they're embarrassed for their country, how about being embarrassed by our public schools or by our ridiculous trial lawyer culture that other countries find laughable?

Don't be discouraged, liberals -- when it comes to utterly frivolous lawsuits against obstetricians presented to illiterate jurors so that John and Elizabeth Edwards can live in an 80-room house, we're still No. 1!
 

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It's written by Ann Coulter, who may have been caught in more lies then any writer of the last decade including the New York Times writer that got caught faking interviews. You could go through your whole life believing the exact opposite of anything she has ever said and be closer to reality.
 

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Thanks for that. I know that whenever I want some objective opinion about social programs the first place I look is Ann Coulter. Well that is if I cant find an opinion from Glen Beck or Bill OReilly. You can always count on her for an impartial assessment of those programs. i also hear that Obama was thinking about asking her to become his point person on health care reform. thanks again for sharing that.
 

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bottie you embarrass yourself citing that dingbat as a source.....:D



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Thanks for that. I know that whenever I want some objective opinion about social programs the first place I look is Ann Coulter. Well that is if I cant find an opinion from Glen Beck or Bill OReilly. You can always count on her for an impartial assessment of those programs. i also hear that Obama was thinking about asking her to become his point person on health care reform. thanks again for sharing that.
Well you can sit on the toilet and drop the kids off a the pool and poll the people with you. Or you can do some research and provide intellegent input.


I am not surprised you choose the drop the kids at the pool
 

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English Please!....:D



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Well you can sit on the toilet and drop the kids off a the pool and poll the people with you. Or you can do some research and provide intellegent input.


I am not surprised you choose the drop the kids at the pool
I am not sure if that is a dig or not. was that somehow directed at me?
 

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English Please?.....:D



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Or you can do some research and provide intellegent input.
This is an Ann Coulter article though, an idiot who lies about nearly everything she claims.
 

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Yes you did. just not sure what you were saying.

Basically I said you can look at the shit you take and see truth, then you qoute the truth you shit out.
 

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This is an Ann Coulter article though, an idiot who lies about nearly everything she claims.
LOL!
True!
Yet father & son JAJA & bottie do adore her so.....:p



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LOL!
True!
Yet father & son JAJA & bottie do adore her so.....:p



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Actually woody I never met her.

But I never met you either. I expect she at least would be interesting.
 

toguy5252

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Basically I said you can look at the shit you take and see truth, then you qoute the truth you shit out.
I am gonna need an interpreter if you keep giving me those obtuse answers or responses. Are you telling me that Ann Coulter speaks the truth. You may wish to do some research of your own on that one my friend. Is that the same Ann Coulter who accused the widows o men killed on 9/11 of enjoying their husbands deaths or are you referring to another Ann Coulter.
 

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I am gonna need an interpreter if you keep giving me those obtuse answers or responses. Are you telling me that Ann Coulter speaks the truth. You may wish to do some research of your own on that one my friend. Is that the same Ann Coulter who accused the widows o men killed on 9/11 of enjoying their husbands deaths or are you referring to another Ann Coulter.
No

I am telling you that your liberal slant is like a toilet bowl of crap.

I met a tough guy a few days ago. He cried for his mommy.
 

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No

I am telling you that your liberal slant is like a toilet bowl of crap.

I met a tough guy a few days ago. He cried for his mommy.
What language are you speaking.

What is liberal crap about wanting everyone in the richest country in the world to have health care. How is it possible that virtually every western and industrialized country has universal health care for its citizens and the US does not. The US pays more as a percentage of GDP for its health care system than almost every industrialized country, even with 45 million of its citizens uninsured, and it still scores abysmally on most objective measures of the efficacy of its health care system.

Why is that a liberal slant. If you choose to respond please do so in English or at least in a manner I can understand.
 

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Re: messenger shooting-Isn't she dead yet?

Re: It's all the fault of them darkies-(you shoot the UN via Wikipedia, that's my source, the CIA Factbook scored the US worse. Hers is?) The USA is 33d worst, coloured countries doing better are New Caledonia in 32, Brunei at 30 and Cuba at 28—all of them w/o the 'natrural good infant mortality' rates of white folks that she's saying artifically raises your stats.

Puerto Rico scores 45th, showing the advantages of its status, doing worse than French Guadeloupe but better than Barbados. French Martinique's 35th place score must be those coloured folks doing again, 'cause they got more of them than the US.

Within Ms. Coulter's self-defined rounding error are other such world healthcare destinations as: Worse: Poland, Croatia, Hungary, Greece and Cyprus (already mentioned Cuba an Brunei doing better) and as she says the UK and Canada (as well as most of Europe and Auz and NZ—doing better. Beyond her lines come the rest of Europe, the Czech Republic and Iceland all doing significantly better for less than US money as well as South Korea, Singapore and Japan.

Let us note that her topic is the number of babies who die at birth. Less than half as many die in Iceland and in Singapore—Singapore, that within-my-lifetime-colonial pesthole.—as in the US. You need to wake up when she starts off by saying you haven't improved your numbers since the '20s. Others have.

What's truly nauseating about her poisonous screed is the smug acceptance that the high rate of black babies dying at birth is "intractable". I thought infant mortality was one of those needs developed countries focussed on to help the underdeveloped. It's always been a primary focus of missionaries, medical and the other kind. It's one of the reasons why universal healthcare was invented.

You need to stop listening to people like her who blandly and without evidence assert stuff like 'we count everything a mother passes as a birth, they only count them if they survive to learn language'. As if that made babies dying OK.

You need to wake up and realize that a fat population, (whatever the paintjob) eating so-called food it doesn't need—or is all that it can afford—is part of your healthcare problem, not an excuse for it. Your babies die more than Cuban babies—poor, black Cubans who earn a pittance compared to you—and there's no need for it.

You guys need to stop looking for excuse for why you're doing less well than you could and live up to your boasts: Be the best.

"Intractable"? Yeah sure, so where's the world-leading Sloan-Kettering-Johns-Mayo-Hopkins Babie of Colour Institute?

I'll tell her what's intractable, but it wouldn't be polite.
 

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What language are you speaking.

Why is that a liberal slant. If you choose to respond please do so in English or at least in a manner I can understand.
It's 'Happy Hour' time.

He's probably juiced out of his gourd.....:D



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What language are you speaking.

What is liberal crap about wanting everyone in the richest country in the world to have health care. How is it possible that virtually every western and industrialized country has universal health care for its citizens and the US does not. The US pays more as a percentage of GDP for its health care system than almost every industrialized country, even with 45 million of its citizens uninsured, and it still scores abysmally on most objective measures of the efficacy of its health care system.

Why is that a liberal slant. If you choose to respond please do so in English or at least in a manner I can understand.
Ummmmmm

This is a SOCIALIST slant
Forgive me
 
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