More Liberal Lies About National Healthcare!
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The issue is the healthcare system, and her racist junk just lowers the tone more tha I thought possible. It's a Toronto Pooner's Board; if you're so complacent abou what you've got why come here to tell us?
Agreed, the fact is you smugly don't give a hoot about those lacking heathcare!
So what if ~45,000 Americans die each year due to this! It's all their fault for not going to school to better themselves!.....
The problems we face today will not be solved by the minds that created them
Of the 45,000 you mention how many were denied medicaid???
What of the 30,000 people who die from the flu each year, are they included in your numbers??
Where exactly do you get the 10% number? Around 45 million people don't have health care insurance, and another 25 million are underinsured. A joint Cambridge/Harvard study spanning 2001 to 2007 found that 60% of personal bankruptcy fillings in the US were medically related, and of those 75% were by people who had insurance at the beginning of their illness. Additionally, over half of people who are underinsured don't seek treatment because they can't afford co-pays, expenses not covered under their plan, caps on expenditures, and because thet seem to have this crazy idea that they might get cancelled if they really become sick. In short, the health insurance system works great as long as you pay your premiums and don't actually use it.
I get the 10% (30 million people) from the POTUS speech to congress... which is well supported, the 45M number that everyone is now backing off included 10-15m illegal aliens.
I use it, all the time, works fine.
I don't see anyone arguing to do nothing, I see people arguing to not spend a trillion dollars to insure half the uninsured and build yet another government program. The Ds want to use the POTUS popularity and their majority to build a program that can't be unbuilt - the rest of us would rather see incremental changes to the system.
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And I don't see you responding to the main part of my post. You like to pretend that simply because people have insurance that they also have adequate coverage. You seem more interested to whittle down the numbers to a point you feel comfortable with and act as if people have options that will protect them just fine, which quite frankly is bullshit.
No, bullshit is admiring the problem and pretending that it's a solution.
I said:
I don't see anyone arguing to do nothing, I see people arguing to not spend a trillion dollars to insure half the uninsured and build yet another government program. The Ds want to use the POTUS popularity and their majority to build a program that can't be unbuilt - the rest of us would rather see incremental changes to the system.
What about that is hard to understand?
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What is bullshit is your continued assertion, against better knowledge, that 90%
of americans have as excellent health coverage as you have. And I might add, that
it is morally indefencible to campaign to deny health care to the
disadvantaged.
Clearly you have a comprehension issue.
I've never said 90% of the US population has the same coverage I have (in fact very few if any Canadians have the same coverage I have). I've said that 90% have health insurance, and 65% of those rate their healthcare as good or excellent.
No one is denying healthcare to the disadvantaged - in fact, as I've said many times, both the poor and old have government funded healthcare.
OTB
You have a propaganda issue. You repeatedly state that 90% have adequate
helath care coverage, which you know is untrue.
Or do you want to give us a number for people who have ADEQUATE and REASONABLE
health coverage, say as good as in Canada, as you seem to be familiar with that.
Apparently you think that prescription drugs (including cancer meds) are free in Canada.
Have I got news for you.
Northing is free, but in Ontario, peopple over 65 are paying very small copayments for prescription drugs.
Do you know that?
The GOP consistently use the argument for incremental change as a means of insuring that there is no change. They have been having this same debate in the us for 50 years and nothing changes mainly because the GOP believe that peoples health and access to medical care is a supply and demand issue which should be run like a business. Not everything can nor should work on that model. The GOP member were elected to serve the interest of people not insurance and pharmaceutical companies. Certain issues like health should be regarded as a right in an industrialized society. the US is the only country which does not regard it as such.
bottie armed with his obfuscation is sounding more and more like his daddy at every post. They are both delusional.....
The problems we face today will not be solved by the minds that created them
The problems we face today will not be solved by the minds that created them
No, OTB knows exactly what it is about, that is what is so despicable. It is
about denying disadvantaged fellow human beings health care so that he can keep
a few more dollars in his pocket. Shameful.
I don't know that 90% of Americans have "adequate" coverage (whatever that means), you're making this up as you go along.
OTB
Hey, that's my line.
I wouldn't say that incremental change is no change.... would you?
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Would you count the Dems on the Senate Finance Committee that voted against a "public option" in the above GOP group?
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