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More Liberal Lies About National Healthcare!

Asterix

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Hey, that's my line.

I wouldn't say that incremental change is no change.... would you?
I would say it's another BS line, but then that seems to be your specialty.
 

danmand

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Same as in the US
No, you are being untrurhful again.

I don't know that 90% of Americans have "adequate" coverage (whatever that means), you're making this up as you go along.
So, when you claim that 90% of americans have health care coverage,
that does not mean that they have adequate and reasonable health care coverage.

What does it mean then? What health care coverage is it the 90% are guaranteed?
 

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Well that 90% surely doesn't have the Cadillac Plan bottie brags he has....:rolleyes:



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Re: messenger shooting-Isn't she dead yet?

Re: It's all the fault of them darkies-(you shoot the UN via Wikipedia, that's my source, the CIA Factbook scored the US worse. Hers is?) The USA is 33d worst, coloured countries doing better are New Caledonia in 32, Brunei at 30 and Cuba at 28—all of them w/o the 'natrural good infant mortality' rates of white folks that she's saying artifically raises your stats.

Puerto Rico scores 45th, showing the advantages of its status, doing worse than French Guadeloupe but better than Barbados. French Martinique's 35th place score must be those coloured folks doing again, 'cause they got more of them than the US.

Within Ms. Coulter's self-defined rounding error are other such world healthcare destinations as: Worse: Poland, Croatia, Hungary, Greece and Cyprus (already mentioned Cuba an Brunei doing better) and as she says the UK and Canada (as well as most of Europe and Auz and NZ—doing better. Beyond her lines come the rest of Europe, the Czech Republic and Iceland all doing significantly better for less than US money as well as South Korea, Singapore and Japan.

Let us note that her topic is the number of babies who die at birth. Less than half as many die in Iceland and in Singapore—Singapore, that within-my-lifetime-colonial pesthole.—as in the US. You need to wake up when she starts off by saying you haven't improved your numbers since the '20s. Others have.

What's truly nauseating about her poisonous screed is the smug acceptance that the high rate of black babies dying at birth is "intractable". I thought infant mortality was one of those needs developed countries focussed on to help the underdeveloped. It's always been a primary focus of missionaries, medical and the other kind. It's one of the reasons why universal healthcare was invented.

You need to stop listening to people like her who blandly and without evidence assert stuff like 'we count everything a mother passes as a birth, they only count them if they survive to learn language'. As if that made babies dying OK.

You need to wake up and realize that a fat population, (whatever the paintjob) eating so-called food it doesn't need—or is all that it can afford—is part of your healthcare problem, not an excuse for it. Your babies die more than Cuban babies—poor, black Cubans who earn a pittance compared to you—and there's no need for it.

You guys need to stop looking for excuse for why you're doing less well than you could and live up to your boasts: Be the best.

"Intractable"? Yeah sure, so where's the world-leading Sloan-Kettering-Johns-Mayo-Hopkins Babie of Colour Institute?

I'll tell her what's intractable, but it wouldn't be polite.
Good response, based on actually reading the post rather than sliming the author. Coulter seems to be saying that the US poor infant mortality is based on intractably sick blacks, and a high degree of teenage and underweight pregnancies. I am sure the part about underweight babies is true since that is the primary casue of infant mortality. But what is striking in Coulter's article is her acceptance of these facts. Black infant mortality, poverty births, underweight teenage babies, etc.. these are seen
as merely facts, not problems in the medical system. So therefore, why reform the medical system towards prevention of these problems when we do so much better, and more profitably, at rescueing these at risk fetuses..
 

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Good response, based on actually reading the post rather than sliming the author. Coulter seems to be saying that the US poor infant mortality is based on intractably sick blacks, and a high degree of teenage and underweight pregnancies. I am sure the part about underweight babies is true since that is the primary casue of infant mortality. But what is striking in Coulter's article is her acceptance of these facts. Black infant mortality, poverty births, underweight teenage babies, etc.. these are seen
as merely facts, not problems in the medical system. So therefore, why reform the medical system towards prevention of these problems when we do so much better, and more profitably, at rescueing these at risk fetuses..
That is the point, they are not problems in the healthcare system... you've got it...

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danmand

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That is the point, they are not problems in the healthcare system... you've got it...
The only thing you have understood is, that these are not problems for
well off white people.
 

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The only thing you have understood is, that these are not problems for
well off white people.
That's both racist and ignorant... you've defined quite the little magic quadrant for yourself.....

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That is the point, they are not problems in the healthcare system... you've got it...

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That complacently racist assumption of hers and yours is definitely arguable, but it's irrelevant to the issue. They are problems other countries have fixed. And any country with means should be ashamed of.
 

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She might have a point if Canada, Britain, and France didn't have a sizable minority population, but they do and the differences still exist, therefore her explanation is total BS.
 

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blackrock13

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If you talking to me, not so. These report are fine, but only talk about the the US in isolation. Does the same apply to other countries with similar populations? If so, then it's not the population that is causing the problem, but the system.

As for racism, I'm not sure. I think AC, when pushed, will lash out with the some of the most outrageous comments just to say something. I don't think she's racist, just blindly dumb.
 

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If you talking to me, not so. These report are fine, but only talk about the the US in isolation. Does the same apply to other countries with similar populations? If so, then it's not the population that is causing the problem, but the system.

As for racism, I'm not sure. I think AC, when pushed, will lash out with the some of the most outrageous comments just to say something. I don't think she's racist, just blindly dumb.
She's neither dumb or racist, but she does say things just to get people riled up.... but I like that.

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the thing about Coulter or Sean Hannerty or Michael Moore is that they are just preaching to their respective choirs. I doubt any one of them actually care to research, or to look at both sides of the debate but instead make cheap, partisan comments for the entertainment of their audiences. They are entertainers of the lowest form who make their millions while fanning the flames of intolerance and divisiveness
 

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She's neither dumb or racist, but she does say things just to get people riled up.... but I like that.

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There's not intelligent/knowledgeable DUMB and then there's stupidly DUMB. she's exhibited the later many times. Remember her Canada's sending combat forces to Viet Nam claim. Pretty dumb for an intelligent person.
 

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There's not intelligent/knowledgeable DUMB and then there's stupidly DUMB. she's exhibited the later many times. Remember her Canada's sending combat forces to Viet Nam claim. Pretty dumb for an intelligent person.
You mean like the 57 United States?

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That is the point, they are not problems in the healthcare system... you've got it...

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Is it possible that there is a correlation between the problems she points out and access to health care. The demographic she writes about is the group with the least access to health-care. Hence the problem she describes. Might improved access improve the mortality rates in that demographic?
 

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Is it possible that there is a correlation between the problems she points out and access to health care. The demographic she writes about is the group with the least access to health-care. Hence the problem she describes. Might improved access improve the mortality rates in that demographic?
Did you read the above articles?

Why is it Hispanics (not the wealthiest Americans) have even lower rates than Whites in the US..... better access to healthcare?

You guys are far to invested in the cause / effect of health outcomes in the US and the health care system.

Worth noting, 25% of blacks live in poverty, those who are poor are given free healthcare (medicaid) yet infant mortality is 2X the White/Hispanic rate..... I don't think it's the healthcare system.

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