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Federer also has a great path, but I'm not sold he's 100 healthy & math ft in every way. Logically Federer should be co-favorite with Murray since a 100% Fed is still legitimately the #2 player in the world (and still beats #1 the odd time)

But just as nobody ever wins a Grand Slam anymore, it is almost as unlikely for a guy in his mid-30's to win a Major. Even if on paper there seems to be no good reason why it shouldn't happen, something always seems to come up to prevent it. I believe it will be happen to Federer too.
 

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This is probably Milos' best chance ever for a Wimbledon title. Ideally it would have come with a few more months under McEnroe's influence, indeed he may be a better player by next year's Wimbledon but not by so much that it would equal the bug break of Djokovic being out of his path and no guarantee of being healthy so now is really the big break.

By this time 2018, he will porbably be overtaken for good by Kyrgios, Vverev & Thiem so if he hasn't won a major by then he will finish as the successor to Berdych.

I'm going the winner of Murray-Kyrgios to go all the way. However if Kyrgios gets Murray out of the way its 50:50 between him & Raonic because Molos is still farther ahed in terms of experience & consistency (but Kyrgios matches up better against Murray athletically...)
In the end Murray beat Kyrgios quite easily. He's now beaten him 5 times out of 5. If Federer is now healthy and back to good form looks like Murray - Federer in the final.

Still no obvious successors to today's big 4.
 

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I don't see raonic ever moving into the top 4 seeds, and ranking is everything in tennis. I envision careers like tsonga and berdych for him.
 

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Milos knocks off Querrey 3-1, 6-4 7-5 5-7 6-4.
Federer is having a tough time in his match
 

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Man Fed was magnificent. Back from 2 down against Cilic... OMG. There was some real magic in the way he won the 5th... just sheer sorcery !!!
 

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Man Fed was magnificent. Back from 2 down against Cilic... OMG. There was some real magic in the way he won the 5th... just sheer sorcery !!!
Cilic had some great 2nd serve looks on BPs and MPs in this match and lot of times failed to put those 2nd serve returns in play. He will have nightmares about that. That 4th set breaker was epic stuff. Up there with some of the great tiebreaks ever 1980 Wimbledon final Borg/McEnroe 4th set breaker & 2008 Wimbledon Final Fed/Rafa 4th set breaker

Fed pulled some Houdini acts in the 3rd and 4th set at 3-3 0-40 in the 3rd and then at 1-2 15-40 in 4th. .

And you are right it was some vintage Fed late in the match. Thought he started to move better as well as the match progressed.

Recovery now will be the big issue for Fed's team. We have seen in recent years Fed struggle in the next round match after an emotionally draining 5 setter. For example the Monfils match at the USO couple years back. He had to fight back from 2 sets to love down to win that. Then lost to Cilic in straight sets. Granted, Cilic may have won regardless b/c he was in a zone those 2 weeks.
 

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Ladies singles- I see Kerber winning it all, in 3 sets over Serena. Serena makes too many unforced errors, plus Kerber moves well and has enough power. Kerber will place the ball with good pace, to keep Serena on the run. She knows, don't get into a power match with Serena. Of course, I could be wrong and Kerber gets upset by Venus, and it's a all Williams' final.

Roger WOW! I have no idea who wins it, between Roger, Andy and Milos.
 

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Ladies singles- I see Kerber winning it all, in 3 sets over Serena. Serena makes too many unforced errors, plus Kerber moves well and has enough power. Kerber will place the ball with good pace, to keep Serena on the run. She knows, don't get into a power match with Serena. Of course, I could be wrong and Kerber gets upset by Venus, and it's a all Williams' final.

Roger WOW! I have no idea who wins it, between Roger, Andy and Milos.
I wouldn't necessarily pencil Andy into the final. Yes, he is the favorite in his SF but as Killer Cahill said right after the Murray/Jo-Willy match the H2H with Birdman is 8-6 in Andy's favor so Birdman has given Murray some problems before. So it isn't a given that Murray will advance.

Kerber did beat Serena at the AO and you are right Kerber about Kerber's movement. I'd even say she moves well is an understatement. A strong case could be made for her being the best defensive player on the tour - if you saw the AO final you know what I'm talking about. I have always said her power is underrated. She isn't the biggest hitter on the women's tour but she hits a bigger ball than most people give her credit for. But for offense she doesn't simply rely on power she complements that with some short angle shots to open up the court as well as drop-shots - she hit some sensational ones against Serena in the AO final and hit Halep with some too in the Wimbledon QF the other day. The big weakness in Kerber's game is the 2nd serve though. Although she did protect it well in the AO final.

I don't really think the UEs for Serena is nearly as big of an issue for her on grass where the points are shorter and her serve gets her a lot of cheap points. And I think in recent years she has actually become more consistent off the ground as evidenced by her success at RG in recent years. She has actually improved on clay in recent years and part of that is due to her cutting UEs out of her game. Chrissie has commented on this many times as well.

As for Fed and Milos - well these two played at Wimbledon couple years ago and Fed busted out the old A.Rod game plan. Fed was never really rushed in that match and so much space to hit into. It was a straight forward game plan and Fed executed it. That said Milos is an improved player since then. Aside from the matchup itself I think one of the big keys in this match will be how well Federer's recovery goes over the next 48 hours . I will say though that playing Cilic may have been good prep for Raonic. Not identical players to be sure but certainly not dissimilar either.
 

mjg1

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I wouldn't necessarily pencil Andy into the final. Yes, he is the favorite in his SF but as Killer Cahill said right after the Murray/Jo-Willy match the H2H with Birdman is 8-6 in Andy's favor so Birdman has given Murray some problems before. So it isn't a given that Murray will advance.

Kerber did beat Serena at the AO and you are right Kerber about Kerber's movement. I'd even say she moves well is an understatement. A strong case could be made for her being the best defensive player on the tour - if you saw the AO final you know what I'm talking about. I have always said her power is underrated. She isn't the biggest hitter on the women's tour but she hits a bigger ball than most people give her credit for. But for offense she doesn't simply rely on power she complements that with some short angle shots to open up the court as well as drop-shots - she hit some sensational ones against Serena in the AO final and hit Halep with some too in the Wimbledon QF the other day. The big weakness in Kerber's game is the 2nd serve though. Although she did protect it well in the AO final.

I don't really think the UEs for Serena is nearly as big of an issue for her on grass where the points are shorter and her serve gets her a lot of cheap points. And I think in recent years she has actually become more consistent off the ground as evidenced by her success at RG in recent years. She has actually improved on clay in recent years and part of that is due to her cutting UEs out of her game. Chrissie has commented on this many times as well.

As for Fed and Milos - well these two played at Wimbledon couple years ago and Fed busted out the old A.Rod game plan. Fed was never really rushed in that match and so much space to hit into. It was a straight forward game plan and Fed executed it. That said Milos is an improved player since then. Aside from the matchup itself I think one of the big keys in this match will be how well Federer's recovery goes over the next 48 hours . I will say though that playing Cilic may have been good prep for Raonic. Not identical players to be sure but certainly not dissimilar either.
That's a good point about Serena and yes, since it's on grass pts will be shorter. So if Serena is serving well, it will be harder for Kerber, to beat her on grass. The way Kerber returns all most everything, will make it a close match.
 

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Apparently, Federer's knee was bothering him. The same knee he hurt while giving one of his kid's bath? Nevertheless, Raonic won fair and square. Great to see he can go hard for 5 sets. I think Murray is easier to beat than Federer.
 

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Apparently, Federer's knee was bothering him. The same knee he hurt while giving one of his kid's bath? Nevertheless, Raonic won fair and square. Great to see he can go hard for 5 sets. I think Murray is easier to beat than Federer.
Bittersweet moment for me. Feds collapse at the end of the 4th was horrible to watch for such a great champion. Milos toughed out some really dangerous moments though, so he earned his way to the 6-5 in the 4th...when Roger collapsed. The final could be a great match. But Fed is not at all done. He only just lost a 5 setter after a brutal 5 setter against Cilic. To say he is yesterdays man is very premature I think.
 

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Feds collapse at the end of the 4th was horrible to watch for such a great champion.
Pete Sampas retired when many people thought he still had one more Slam in him. He did not want people to remember him as a 35 year old has been struggling against players 10 years his younger. I hope Federer will retire when people still remember him as a great champion.
 

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Apparently, Federer's knee was bothering him. The same knee he hurt while giving one of his kid's bath? Nevertheless, Raonic won fair and square. Great to see he can go hard for 5 sets. I think Murray is easier to beat than Federer.
Murray is the heavy favourite with the bookmakers. He seems to be at the top of his game - obviously not something you'd say about Federer right now, with his third successive slam final.

Murray with Lendl now in his corner, tough, tough ask for Raonic. Might be worth a small bet though.
 

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Canada could do the double, while Raonic is getting most of the attention Denis Shapovalov could win the boys title.

His profile says he was born in Tel Aviv, but he looks Karelian (Scandinavian Russian) to me.

 
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