With the 2 demonstrations yesterday in Toronto first with the anti maskers protest then later the Jewish-Palestinian demonstration I expect you will see a rise in the TO Covid numbers.
Will COVID numbers rise???
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at least 50% OF PCR results are false
Public Health Physician Dr. Yaffe Explains the No-Test Order for Ontario Teachers. She Admits to a 50% False-Positive Rate for COVID Tests.[/MEDIA]
Public Health Physician Dr. Yaffe Explains the No-Test Order for Ontario Teachers. She Admits to a 50% False-Positive Rate for COVID Tests.[/MEDIA]
The number of vaccinated Torontonians is showing a steady (relatively) rise. Hopefully this blunts further outbreaks. Now if the anti maskers have an outbreak among themselves, seems like they are asking for one...
Hopefully the lockdown will end after we reach the vaccine tipping point where milder measures will result in numbers still going down.
Local active cases are only 30% of what they were at the recent peak and if they go down further and stay down, I'll probably feel safe bringing my one dose bataks back to das gym. I miss making fun of Hitler. What a girlyman.
The anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, and covid deniers will die off, that's evolution, Darwinism. Follow the medical science that brought us this far.
Ford may be forced to extend another 2 weeks after June 2. The protests on the weekend didn't help. At least the Palestinian protests many were seen wearing masks. The anti-lockdown protest just blatant regard for safety.
Weren't both of those outside?
Wouldn't be likely to have much transmission.
That's not what she said.
I'd explain sensitivity and specificity to you, but I don't think you're interested.
We get 30 to 40 year olds out protesting; none of whom ever ends up with covid
We get 70 to 80 year olds catching covid and requiring hospitalization
It amazes me the disconnect from reality some of those posters seem to have
Esp when stats for daily deaths and hospitalizations are readily accessible
eg past 2 weeks while the huge protests been happening:
Deaths 19 and under - 1
20-39 - 11
40-59 - 72
60-79 - 181 (0.1% increase over pandemic norms)
80+ 141 (0.1% decrease over pandemic norms)
Funny how all the 60+ seniors still make up vast majority of deaths despite claims of 85 to 90% vaccination rates and vaccine "protection"
Heck if we even extrapolate back to Jan 1st 2021 (before vaccinations were widespread) there is virtually NO DIFFERENCE
Jan 1 vs May 15 Summary of Deaths
39 and under < 0.1% (I just lumped them together since total is too small to matter)
40 - 59 0.3% (no change, but then again most of these are not vaccinated today)
60 - 79 3.8% (decrease of 0.7%)
80+ 22.1% (decrease of 1.0%)
That is it; after vaccinating population the percentage who dies has decreased by less than 2% historically
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But you wouldn't expect any deaths from the protests during the weeks of the protests.
You can't just link to three 20-30 page pdfs like that.
At the very least give the table number you are drawing these from.
I'm guessing your calculating your first table from Table 4 in both of those pdfs. (That seems valid.)
Not sure where you're getting your "pandemic norms" though.
As for the second, you seem to be again using Table 4, which is comparing the cumulative deaths. Of course the numbers haven't changed much, how could they?
That 1% change is really quite dramatic for so short a time. That's an impressive shift.
thats what i am thinking, you dont need to vaccine alot to bring down the cases, Ontario has vaccinated almost half the population yet cases remain very high, PS who are all those people getting tested everyday
Your patience to educate the dense is admirable. When you want to borrow the brick to throw at the wall let me know.
Since she said that testing complicates the picture, it follows that no testing has the potential to simply the picture??
Also think the Ford Administration doesn’t want to go to war with the teachers union. Now that will be interesting!
You're missing the biggest point. It's not the number of deaths that are the biggest concern.... it's the danger of overwhelming the healthcare system! Younger people may be surviving covid infection but many are still needing critical medical attention. Pointing solely to number of deaths is not seeing the forest for the trees and a common distraction technique for anti vaxxers. Your stats are nothing but confirmation bias for you and dangerous misinformation for those who don't know better.
No I would argue deaths are far more important
The ICUs are nowhere near capacity (800ish out of 3100)
Plus they have (at least) 3 unused field hospitals should a real spike occur
I only know a single person who had a test (work related)
Yeah its kinda odd how many tests they are claiming they are doing DURING a stay home order
And rem all essential workers are exempt from tests and quarantines while crossing borders etc
I don't know the numbers but I will take your word for it.
But that just proves my point.... vaccines, masking and (sadly) lockdowns are achieving their primary goal, preventing overwhelmed hospitals.
More cases=more deaths
More cases=more hospitalizations
More cases=more possibility of transmissions
More cases=more variants
More cases=overworked health care system
More cases=more people with long term effects
More cases=more time in lockdown
More cases=more mask wearing
More cases=more social distancing
More cases=more front line workers put at risk
More deaths result in none of those things happening.
More deaths=more deaths, which is tragic but does not generate as much domino effect as more cases
By the way, you presented no argument at all to further your (misguided) point.
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Not true at all
All 3 waves had very distinct ratios of cases to deaths
We have way more "cases" today than we did a year ago
And yet we have more ICU and fewer deaths than that same time period
