talking about Trump?Because he's good enough, he's smart enough and doggone it, people like him.
It's going to be a Cruel Summer for Democrats. See you in Chicago!
Will Biden step down?
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Certainly California contributes the most and is perhaps the strongest. Strong is also a question of relative dynamism vis-a-vis other large states.
Obviously, the tech sector is the biggest driver of the California economy. The tech sector has been the lead economic engine for several decades long pre-dating the Democrat's complete dominance of California state politics beginning around 2010 perhaps a bit earlier. Economies aren't just snapshots in time. They are fluid and evolving with historical success often a major prerequisite for vitality.
Having said all that, Newsom should campaign hard on California's economy. Related to economics, he will be challenged on high taxes, the cost of living and higher unemployment than the rest of the country. These are just how it would go down in a campaign. I wouldn't consider this last paragraph opinion.
Ok so we have established California under Newsom has the strongest economy and the strongest GDP of all other States with Texas being second. Follow-up question, how do you think Trump would facing Newsome on the other side of the podium in a debate?
Newsom would be great debate presenter. He would be able to take on Trump on the stage. That doesn't mean he would win in November, but I like his chances much more than Biden's chances.
I don't have a lot of exposure to Gretchen Whitmer. Coming from a purple state like Michigan I'm guessing she doesn't have to defend a lot of progressive legislation. As a woman, she also solves half the problem of bypassing Kamala.
One thing we have to ask is can Gavin Newsom win the battleground states? Winning California, the West Coast and Northeast doesn't improve the Democrat's chances.
He's polished, he has the facts down pat and can present them Obama style. The ladies would be voting for him in droves. I think he would run away with it and it wouldn't matter who the VP is. I would say the same thing about whichever VP Trump decides on it won't make a difference vote-wise for the orange stain.
You are merely being partisan. There's talk that Rubio as VP would broaden the appeal to Hispanic voters. That's my preference of the names being considered. Haley would be even better, but I don't think she's on the list.
Perhaps you saw the video here of Newsom admitting to sleeping with his campaign manager's wife. I think that offsets his attractiveness. Female voters will just go with their ingrained political leanings.
Oh yeah, you can bet the farm Newsom will select a female VP. He might even decide to do that promptly if Biden drops out.
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OTOH, he's never sexually assaulted a woman in a store dressing room area. That might even things out. And Blue state voters are going to be less evangelical than Oklahomans and Texans.
I am guessing yes.
I would alert you to the fact that Newsom goes on Fox News* periodically. He's a smart politician. He knows your political muscle can atrophy in a one party State like California. (I think that's one of Kamala's issues.)
What Newsom would likely do is immediately tack to the center. The sooner the better, but to the chagrin of progressives. Do you think he's going to tell the pro-Palestinian crowd that he's going to abandon Israel. No, he will say he wants peace and he will demand Israel's cooperation, but he won't move Left on the issue. He might start slow walking EVs on the national stage. He might he even sound tougher on border policy.
Spending? There's no Democrat who doesn't talk up spending initiatives. Of course, he will do everything while balancing the budget. The likely Republican Senate next year will keep a check on him.
You don't get to be the Governor of California without a big team of advisors who probably have already crafted his platform and I doubt it's Bringing California to the Nation.
* Since so many here champion their preferred cable news diet, I will reiterate I don't watch Fox News. I've just read that Newsom likes to appear on the network.
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My fear is the dems will have their left hold their breath and have a hissy fit if they don't appoint someone who may not be electable nationally. Trump seems to have 42-43% lifers who will vote for him no matter what. He could be skinning babies in the street and they'll still vote for him.
The Kamala problem exists too. She's not nearly as bad as Fox et AL have been portraying her (yes, they show her out of context, every slip up is played ad nauseum, they do it to AOC and they did it to Hillary etc, of course no droning on about the rapist - numerous con jobs - insurrection - business fraud - convicted felon guy). But...if the Dems sidestep her, there may be backlash. If they step over her (eg Newsome or Pritzker or Whitmer as P, her still as VP) they'll be anger plus fake anger from the Russian bots as to why she shouldn't be the nominee. If they elevate her to the top they'll lose. They put in Elizabeth Warren -at the top super smart woman - they'll lose.
If they got "state of the union" Joe they would have won. Instead they got "woken up in the middle of his nap" Joe. Horrible how the USA public votes on style not substance.
The Kamala problem exists too. She's not nearly as bad as Fox et AL have been portraying her (yes, they show her out of context, every slip up is played ad nauseum, they do it to AOC and they did it to Hillary etc, of course no droning on about the rapist - numerous con jobs - insurrection - business fraud - convicted felon guy). But...if the Dems sidestep her, there may be backlash. If they step over her (eg Newsome or Pritzker or Whitmer as P, her still as VP) they'll be anger plus fake anger from the Russian bots as to why she shouldn't be the nominee. If they elevate her to the top they'll lose. They put in Elizabeth Warren -at the top super smart woman - they'll lose.
If they got "state of the union" Joe they would have won. Instead they got "woken up in the middle of his nap" Joe. Horrible how the USA public votes on style not substance.
You try to paint a solid 43% as a cult. Trudeau would be ecstatic if he had those numbers.
Fox News doesn't have any sway beyond hardcore conservative voters to shape how Kamala is perceived. Their audience amounts to about 2% of the electorate. Even if we consider some of the audience rotates, what are we talking about......5% and that's being generous. Anyway, were the voting for Biden/Harris?
The pre-debate numbers aren't looking great for Biden. I don't think we have seen "State of the Union" Joe since or often enough.
In politics, sometimes you have to look inward not outward for the answer.
Ah so, if winning an election is the objective then overlook a visible minority and a woman.
But for everything else, then scream racism and unfairness.
Gotcha.
I thought you were against equity, skooby doo.
Haven't you been arguing the best candidate, regardless of race, should be chosen?
They only work as a team to run the country as they want it....he will fall on the sword while someone else makes the decision? What the fuck is wrong with you? The dems need to ask for an election now...it's now a nig question whose making all the decisions regarding the hamas Israel conflict and Russia Ukraine....obviously not Joe Biden...
So tell me...who in the democrats need to answer for all the decisions?
Ah yes right on queue...this is the part where you jump into someone else's conversation and distract with stupid comments that are based on bullshit and your own imagination.
But since you like trolling and sticking your nose in...how about you answer the question?
Why overlook a visible minority/woman who is qualified and is already the VP and go with another white guy to replace the old white guy?
I'll wait...
Maybe she's more qualified to be VP than POTUS, skoob.
Why do you think you know better than them?
Because the rightwing trolls have been slagging Kamala for 5 years now. It would take a while for them to conjure up some lies to discredit the new blood. What is wrong switching the old , feeble white guy with a younger, intelligent white guy? The object is to save America by defeating Rump, not at this time to advance equality by nominating a gay, brown woman of Palestinian heritage with Tourette's.
you are probably one that believes the potus can lower gas price and lower inflation all by himself?
The big issue they have is replacing Biden means admitting they KNEW HOW BAD HE WAS. And were willing to put him in anyway. That reflects on the whole party and will affect independent voters.
Yes, this is worrisome. Don't forget the complicity of the liberal media in this. We have pages and pages here of members telling us not to believe what we could see for ourselves.
The 2020 campaign was different. It was a slower pace. They should have known that 2024 would be different and require a more vibrant and vigorous effort.
The good news is the Dems can now run a younger and sharper candidate that they can contrast with a 78 year-old blowhard.
