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NY Times calls on Biden to drop out of 2024 presidential race ‘to serve his country’ after abysmal debate performance


The New York Times editorial board called on President Biden to step aside as the presumptive Democratic nominee in the 2024 presidential race Friday, one day after his abysmal performance in a debate against Donald Trump.

While insisting that Biden, 81, had been an “admirable president,” the liberal Grey Lady concluded the incumbent appeared on the debate stage as “the shadow of a great public servant” and would be engaging in a “reckless gamble” by continuing his candidacy.

Calls for Joe Biden to step aside have mounted after his performance in Thursday’s debate against Donald Trump.

“There is no reason for the party to risk the stability and security of the country by forcing voters to choose between Mr. Trump’s deficiencies and those of Mr. Biden,” the board wrote. “It’s too big a bet to simply hope Americans will overlook or discount Mr. Biden’s age and infirmity that they see with their own eyes.”

“Mr. Biden answered an urgent question on Thursday night. It was not the answer that he and his supporters were hoping for,” the Times concluded. “But if the risk of a second Trump term is as great as he says it is — and we agree with him that the danger is enormous — then his dedication to this country leaves him and his party only one choice.”

It followed a day of chaos and confusion among Democrats after Biden repeatedly froze, misspoke and lost his train of thought during the first of two scheduled debates against his predecessor in Atlanta.

At one point, Biden gazed down at his lectern for nearly 10 whole seconds before popping up again to say that he “finally beat Medicare.”


We just witnessed the end of Joe Biden’s presidency

The Times editorial board noted that Biden had “challenged Mr. Trump to this verbal duel. He set the rules, and he insisted on a date months earlier than any previous general election debate. He understood that he needed to address longstanding public concerns about his mental acuity and that he needed to do so as soon as possible.”The truth Mr. Biden needs to confront now is that he failed his own test.”

“Mr. Biden answered an urgent question on Thursday night. It was not the answer that he and his supporters were hoping for,” the Times concluded over the incumbents performance against Donald Trump.

Even before the Times editorial board weighed in, two of the paper’s most prominent columnists had called on Biden to step aside. “The Democratic Party has some prominent figures who I think would be in a good position to defeat Trump in November,” Nicholas Kristoff wrote late Thursday following the debate. “This will be a wrenching choice.”

“But, Mr. President, one way you can serve your country in 2024 is by announcing your retirement and calling on delegates to replace you,” he said, “for that is the safest course for our nation.”

Thomas Friedman, who called Biden “my friend” said that watching the debate “made me weep” and acknowledged that “Joe Biden, a good man and a good president, has no business running for re-election.”


 

WyattEarp

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Question, which state contributes the most to the GDP and has the strongest economy in your country?

Careful how you spin this young man.
Certainly California contributes the most and is perhaps the strongest. Strong is also a question of relative dynamism vis-a-vis other large states.

Obviously, the tech sector is the biggest driver of the California economy. The tech sector has been the lead economic engine for several decades long pre-dating the Democrat's complete dominance of California state politics beginning around 2010 perhaps a bit earlier. Economies aren't just snapshots in time. They are fluid and evolving with historical success often a major prerequisite for vitality.

Having said all that, Newsom should campaign hard on California's economy. Related to economics, he will be challenged on high taxes, the cost of living and higher unemployment than the rest of the country. These are just how it would go down in a campaign. I wouldn't consider this last paragraph opinion.
 

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Certainly California contributes the most and is perhaps the strongest. Strong is also a question of relative dynamism vis-a-vis other large states.

Obviously, the tech sector is the biggest driver of the California economy. The tech sector has been the lead economic engine for several decades long pre-dating the Democrat's complete dominance of California state politics beginning around 2010 perhaps a bit earlier. Economies aren't just snapshots in time. They are fluid and evolving with historical success often a major prerequisite for vitality.

Having said all that, Newsom should campaign hard on California's economy. Related to economics, he will be challenged on high taxes, the cost of living and higher unemployment than the rest of the country. These are just how it would go down in a campaign. I wouldn't consider this last paragraph opinion.
Ok so we have established California under Newsom has the strongest economy and the strongest GDP of all other States with Texas being second. Follow-up question, how do you think Trump would facing Newsome on the other side of the podium in a debate?
 

WyattEarp

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Ok so we have established California under Newsom has the strongest economy and the strongest GDP of all other States with Texas being second. Follow-up question, how do you think Trump would facing Newsome on the other side of the podium in a debate?
Newsom would be great debate presenter. He would be able to take on Trump on the stage. That doesn't mean he would win in November, but I like his chances much more than Biden's chances.

I don't have a lot of exposure to Gretchen Whitmer. Coming from a purple state like Michigan I'm guessing she doesn't have to defend a lot of progressive legislation. As a woman, she also solves half the problem of bypassing Kamala.

One thing we have to ask is can Gavin Newsom win the battleground states? Winning California, the West Coast and Northeast doesn't improve the Democrat's chances.
 

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Newsom would be great debate presenter. He would be able to take on Trump on the stage. That doesn't mean he would win in November, but I like his chances much more than Biden's chances.

I don't have a lot of exposure to Gretchen Whitmer. Coming from a purple state like Michigan I'm guessing she doesn't have to defend a lot of progressive legislation. As a woman, she also solves half the problem of bypassing Kamala.

One thing we have to ask is can Gavin Newsom win the battleground states? Winning California, the West Coast and Northeast doesn't improve the Democrat's chances.
He's polished, he has the facts down pat and can present them Obama style. The ladies would be voting for him in droves. I think he would run away with it and it wouldn't matter who the VP is. I would say the same thing about whichever VP Trump decides on it won't make a difference vote-wise for the orange stain.
 

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He's polished, he has the facts down pat and can present them Obama style. The ladies would be voting for him in droves. I think he would run away with it and it wouldn't matter who the VP is. I would say the same thing about whichever VP Trump decides on it won't make a difference vote-wise for the orange stain.
You are merely being partisan. There's talk that Rubio as VP would broaden the appeal to Hispanic voters. That's my preference of the names being considered. Haley would be even better, but I don't think she's on the list.

Perhaps you saw the video here of Newsom admitting to sleeping with his campaign manager's wife. I think that offsets his attractiveness. Female voters will just go with their ingrained political leanings.

Oh yeah, you can bet the farm Newsom will select a female VP. He might even decide to do that promptly if Biden drops out.
 
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You are merely being partisan. There's talk that Rubio as VP would broaden the appeal to Hispanic voters. That's my preference of the names being considered. Haley would be even better, but I don't think she's on the list.

Perhaps you saw the video here of Newsom admitting to sleeping with his campaign manager's wife. I think that offsets his attractiveness. Female voters will just go with their ingrained political leanings.
OTOH, he's never sexually assaulted a woman in a store dressing room area. That might even things out. And Blue state voters are going to be less evangelical than Oklahomans and Texans.
Oh yeah, you can bet the farm Newsom will select a female VP. He might even decide to do that promptly if Biden drops out.
I am guessing yes.
 

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He's polished, he has the facts down pat and can present them Obama style. The ladies would be voting for him in droves. I think he would run away with it and it wouldn't matter who the VP is. I would say the same thing about whichever VP Trump decides on it won't make a difference vote-wise for the orange stain.
I would alert you to the fact that Newsom goes on Fox News* periodically. He's a smart politician. He knows your political muscle can atrophy in a one party State like California. (I think that's one of Kamala's issues.)

What Newsom would likely do is immediately tack to the center. The sooner the better, but to the chagrin of progressives. Do you think he's going to tell the pro-Palestinian crowd that he's going to abandon Israel. No, he will say he wants peace and he will demand Israel's cooperation, but he won't move Left on the issue. He might start slow walking EVs on the national stage. He might he even sound tougher on border policy.

Spending? There's no Democrat who doesn't talk up spending initiatives. Of course, he will do everything while balancing the budget. The likely Republican Senate next year will keep a check on him.

You don't get to be the Governor of California without a big team of advisors who probably have already crafted his platform and I doubt it's Bringing California to the Nation.

* Since so many here champion their preferred cable news diet, I will reiterate I don't watch Fox News. I've just read that Newsom likes to appear on the network.
 
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My fear is the dems will have their left hold their breath and have a hissy fit if they don't appoint someone who may not be electable nationally. Trump seems to have 42-43% lifers who will vote for him no matter what. He could be skinning babies in the street and they'll still vote for him.
The Kamala problem exists too. She's not nearly as bad as Fox et AL have been portraying her (yes, they show her out of context, every slip up is played ad nauseum, they do it to AOC and they did it to Hillary etc, of course no droning on about the rapist - numerous con jobs - insurrection - business fraud - convicted felon guy). But...if the Dems sidestep her, there may be backlash. If they step over her (eg Newsome or Pritzker or Whitmer as P, her still as VP) they'll be anger plus fake anger from the Russian bots as to why she shouldn't be the nominee. If they elevate her to the top they'll lose. They put in Elizabeth Warren -at the top super smart woman - they'll lose.
If they got "state of the union" Joe they would have won. Instead they got "woken up in the middle of his nap" Joe. Horrible how the USA public votes on style not substance.
 
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My fear is the dems will have their left hold their breath and have a hissy fit if they don't appoint someone who may not be electable nationally. Trump seems to have 42-43% lifers who will vote for him no matter what. He could be skinning babies in the street and they'll still vote for him.
You try to paint a solid 43% as a cult. Trudeau would be ecstatic if he had those numbers.

The Kamala problem exists too. She's not nearly as bad as Fox et AL have been portraying her (yes, they show her out of context, every slip up is played ad nauseum, they do it to AOC and they did it to Hillary etc, of course no droning on about the rapist - numerous con jobs - insurrection - business fraud - convicted felon guy).
Fox News doesn't have any sway beyond hardcore conservative voters to shape how Kamala is perceived. Their audience amounts to about 2% of the electorate. Even if we consider some of the audience rotates, what are we talking about......5% and that's being generous. Anyway, were the voting for Biden/Harris?

If they got "state of the union" Joe they would have won. Instead they got "woken up in the middle of his nap" Joe. Horrible how the USA public votes on style not substance.
The pre-debate numbers aren't looking great for Biden. I don't think we have seen "State of the Union" Joe since or often enough.

In politics, sometimes you have to look inward not outward for the answer.
 

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Ah so, if winning an election is the objective then overlook a visible minority and a woman.
But for everything else, then scream racism and unfairness.

Gotcha.
I thought you were against equity, skooby doo.
Haven't you been arguing the best candidate, regardless of race, should be chosen?
 

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The Democrats are working as a team. Which makes far less dangerous than the dictator psycho.
They only work as a team to run the country as they want it....he will fall on the sword while someone else makes the decision? What the fuck is wrong with you? The dems need to ask for an election now...it's now a nig question whose making all the decisions regarding the hamas Israel conflict and Russia Ukraine....obviously not Joe Biden...
So tell me...who in the democrats need to answer for all the decisions?
 
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