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Will Biden step down?

WyattEarp

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Sorry, but do you think that Biden is destroying democracy? If so, how?
No, but arguing one is saving democracy is a form of demagoguery. That's not to say Trump doesn't practice demagoguery.
 

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When it became obvious that Trump would have no problem winning the Republican nomination this time, many prominent Republicans joined his team. More so then when he won the Presidency in 2016. Progressives are very concerned that a Trump Administration will undo many of the Biden Administration's policies. So much so that it is well-noted that the Biden Administration is trying to circumvent the change in policies that comes with subsequent administrations.

I'm fine with a team of Republicans running the show. I'm also fine with Trump banging heads and firing people. I thought Trump's attack last night that Biden never fires anybody is an interesting point. We all should all be concerned with unelected career bureaucrats coming to Washington with their own personal agenda.

It's not a matter of this Presidential team is better than this other Presidential team. It's about who you want setting policy.
Sell me on a team that won't overthrow democracy...

When it became obvious that Trump would have no problem winning the Republican nomination this time, many prominent Republicans joined his team. More so then when he won the Presidency in 2016. Progressives are very concerned that a Trump Administration will undo many of the Biden Administration's policies. So much so that it is well-noted that the Biden Administration is trying to circumvent the change in policies that comes with subsequent administrations.

I'm fine with a team of Republicans running the show. I'm also fine with Trump banging heads and firing people. I thought Trump's attack last night that Biden never fires anybody is an interesting point. We all should all be concerned with unelected career bureaucrats coming to Washington with their own personal agenda.

It's not a matter of this Presidential team is better than this other Presidential team. It's about who you want setting policy.
Yet many Republicans left his team, never to return, during his term in office.

David Shulkin
H.R. McMaster
Rex Tillerson
John McEntee
Gary Cohn
Hope Hicks
Rob Porter
Omarosa Manigault-Newman

Dina Powell
Tom Price

Sebastian Gorka
Steve Bannon - Isn't he in jail now?
Anthony Scaramucci
Reince Priebus
Sean Spicer
Mike Dubke
James Comey
Mike Flynn
Sally Yates

Other notables:

  • Steven Goldstein: Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs
  • Josh Raffel: Deputy communications director
  • Rick Dearborn: deputy chief of staff
  • George Sifakis: director, Office of Public Liaison
  • Ezra Cohen-Watnick: senior director for intelligence programs, National Security Council
  • Michael Short: senior press assistant
  • Walter Shaub: director, Office of Government Ethics
  • Vivek Murthy: surgeon general
  • Angella Reid: chief usher, White House
  • Katie Walsh: deputy chief of staff
  • Preet Bharara: U.S. attorney, Southern District of New York


ABC News' John Parkinson, Justin Fishel, Katherine Faulders, John Santu


 

WyattEarp

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Sell me on a team that won't overthrow democracy...
American Democracy to the American people (and the Canadians who watch too much U.S. cable news):

The reports of my (pending) death are greatly exaggerated.
 
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WyattEarp

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Honestly, I think that's just gobbledygook. Argue it's not.
You're free to have your opinion. If you think the Democrats are saving democracy, I doubt I or anyone else will change it.
 

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But, everyone knows it's a team that runs the government. Led by a leader. No one IRL thinks it's one guy. If you have to google IRL, then give up.
It is however, assumed the President sets the policy goals. He will listen, but make the final decision Because that is what the people elect them on..

People are now questioning who is setting policy. And even who is making the final decisions.
 

Butler1000

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Impeachment is a mugs game. I told that to a guy sitting at a Sushi Bar in Dallas in 2019 when he asked me what I thought of Trump and the Democrats wanting to impeach him. That was after I told him I was Canadian and had no right to comment as I didn't have any skin in the game.

He pressed me so I said it's a "mug's game". He didn't know what a mug's game was, so I told him a game you can't win, you have to beat him in an election.

My same comment to the Republicans. Beat him at the ballot box. And it's not rigged, just beat him.
How about the 25th? Methinks there will be a legit case in the eyes of many Americans. And it won't matter if it works. The optics of a cabal of advisors protecting a senile old man to hold their power positions will be a default position.

And that is anti democracy in their eyes.
 

WyattEarp

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Obama Joe.jpg
 

ramblin

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It is however, assumed the President sets the policy goals. He will listen, but make the final decision Because that is what the people elect them on..

People are now questioning who is setting policy. And even who is making the final decisions.
Who are "people"? The pundits on cable news? Are they congregating in front of government buildings, or just talking heads on TV?
 

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If you think that Trump is a champion of democracy, defend it.
I don't think anyone other than Trump himself seriously
believe he is a champion of democracy. I do believe Trump
is good in taking advantage of democracy which is not
admirable but nonetheless understandable.
 

wigglee

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I'd say they just got worse. If he isn't capable of carrying the party into the next election he isn't capable of being the president now.

I watched it. Did you? Ask yourself this. If you were a hiring manager at Walmart would you give him a job as a greeter or politely excuse yourself to go call his family to pick him up so he gets home safe?

I said way back he wasn't up for it. It's obvious now it's a cabal of aids and appointees running the Presidency. And we have two regional wars both on the verge of spilling over into something far worse. Do you think the American public will trust him now? What about world leaders?

He needs to go. The Dems still have time to run an open convention, get options on the state ballot, and run a fair election. But only if they act soon. Otherwise Trump will be the president.

That's the reality.
He probably needs to go because he's going to get trounced by Trump. The world would be safer and more stable and democracy would remain intact with Biden ( and his team of advisors) compared to Trump , who is a lying degenerate and is insane. But Biden will probably lose because of his stumbling , mumbling , stuttering performance on that debate stage. Of course Butler has been campaigning for Trump by constantly attacking Biden, so he can take some credit for the moral and spiritual decline in world affairs, the destruction of democracy and the weaponization of the White House ( yea, Trump is always guilty of exactly what he falsely accuses others of). There may not be time to find and promote another candidate at this late date, so Trump may achieve the ultimate notoriety of bringing down civilization which he craves as long as he's getting attention.
 
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Why? I watched and thought he was over-prepared with stats and answers. Instead of free flowing, he seemed to be trying to remember all the info which had been drilled into him in the previous week. That, and he didn't have a teleprompter to cue him on speaking points. At 56, I acknowledge that prompts help me too.
The dems are claiming he was over prepared but if that's true he still totally bumbled what they prepared him on.

Even worse, Biden missed so many obvious rebuttals and chances from rump its pathetic.
This one alone should have stopped the debate, rump claims he had inside info that Putin was going to invade Ukraine and didn't tell either the US or Ukraine.

 

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I am not exactly sure a Presidential Candidate Newsom wants to campaign on his California record. While economic issues tend to cut down the middle, I don't think Americans will like Newsom's regulatory, cultural and law enforcement policies.
Question, which state contributes the most to the GDP and has the strongest economy in your country?

Careful how you spin this young man.
 

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NY Times calls on Biden to drop out of 2024 presidential race ‘to serve his country’ after abysmal debate performance


The New York Times editorial board called on President Biden to step aside as the presumptive Democratic nominee in the 2024 presidential race Friday, one day after his abysmal performance in a debate against Donald Trump.

While insisting that Biden, 81, had been an “admirable president,” the liberal Grey Lady concluded the incumbent appeared on the debate stage as “the shadow of a great public servant” and would be engaging in a “reckless gamble” by continuing his candidacy.

Calls for Joe Biden to step aside have mounted after his performance in Thursday’s debate against Donald Trump.

“There is no reason for the party to risk the stability and security of the country by forcing voters to choose between Mr. Trump’s deficiencies and those of Mr. Biden,” the board wrote. “It’s too big a bet to simply hope Americans will overlook or discount Mr. Biden’s age and infirmity that they see with their own eyes.”

“Mr. Biden answered an urgent question on Thursday night. It was not the answer that he and his supporters were hoping for,” the Times concluded. “But if the risk of a second Trump term is as great as he says it is — and we agree with him that the danger is enormous — then his dedication to this country leaves him and his party only one choice.”

It followed a day of chaos and confusion among Democrats after Biden repeatedly froze, misspoke and lost his train of thought during the first of two scheduled debates against his predecessor in Atlanta.

At one point, Biden gazed down at his lectern for nearly 10 whole seconds before popping up again to say that he “finally beat Medicare.”


We just witnessed the end of Joe Biden’s presidency

The Times editorial board noted that Biden had “challenged Mr. Trump to this verbal duel. He set the rules, and he insisted on a date months earlier than any previous general election debate. He understood that he needed to address longstanding public concerns about his mental acuity and that he needed to do so as soon as possible.”The truth Mr. Biden needs to confront now is that he failed his own test.”

“Mr. Biden answered an urgent question on Thursday night. It was not the answer that he and his supporters were hoping for,” the Times concluded over the incumbents performance against Donald Trump.

Even before the Times editorial board weighed in, two of the paper’s most prominent columnists had called on Biden to step aside. “The Democratic Party has some prominent figures who I think would be in a good position to defeat Trump in November,” Nicholas Kristoff wrote late Thursday following the debate. “This will be a wrenching choice.”

“But, Mr. President, one way you can serve your country in 2024 is by announcing your retirement and calling on delegates to replace you,” he said, “for that is the safest course for our nation.”

Thomas Friedman, who called Biden “my friend” said that watching the debate “made me weep” and acknowledged that “Joe Biden, a good man and a good president, has no business running for re-election.”


 
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