When is the last time the GOPee actually did anything ?

dirtydaveiii

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Furthermore trumps ambition for building a wall was to leave a legacy for himself like the pharaohs did in Egypt. Bill Clinton had the first surplus in a generation and built a booming economy. Obama got affordable health care to all Americans and built a booming economy. What did Trump do? Took obamas booming economy and gave out massive tax cuts which put America further in debt than any president in history. Worst jobs numbers since the depression. Renamed NAFTA. Trump called the Mexicans coming in rapists and murderers. Kind of ironic that Trump was proven as a sexual predator in court. Trump made cuts to regulations and funding which lead to train derailments and other massive infrastructure failures. Trump cut school funding. He also taxed several Chinese goods coming in making them more expensive and not available to consumers. China retaliated by taxing American farmers which led to a massive bailout by Trump to keep them afloat. All the automakers and car dealerships had nothing to sell because China retaliated and would not send computer chips to the US. The most important thing is great leaders bring people together. Trump does not have as much support from the republicans as Biden does. To be a good president you have to be liked and respected. Trump is neither. He attempts to rule out of fear of retaliation and that is what dictators do. The problem is America is a free country and will not stand for thst shit
 

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Of course, Biden is the real winner here, having massively reduced strikes across the board.
Except he's now Genocide Joe, known for enabling genocide and giving Israel $3.8 billion in bombs to drop on civilians.
Even the pope is calling him out now.
 

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I never said Obama didn't do a lot of bombing and drone strikes.
I said that saying Trump reduced these out of some sort of respect for humanity or belief in not doing excessive bombing is wrong.
Trump expanded the drone war to new places. He outdid Obama in multiple theatres. He removed the restrictions on targeting and increased the civilian casualty count.
Would he have passed Obama's records in all theatres if he had had 8 years? Maybe. Probably not in a few because Afghanistan and Iraq were both active fronts during Obama's presidency and those make up a huge part of the numbers.
But he would have been competitive.

Of course, Biden is the real winner here, having massively reduced strikes across the board.



There are pics of kids in cages from both eras.
I also didn't comment on your kids in cages question.
Of course, the reason "kids were in cages" is a major part of the issue here.



Gonna point out that this once again depends on what you are defining as a war.
But once again, I didn't question that Obama was the only president who had active military conflict the US was involved with throughout two full terms.
Trump had the same all through his term as well, of course, but he didn't have two terms. (He also had fewer wars since Obama had already stopped the Iraq war by then.)



Again, that's Obama.
8 years vs 4 is going to count for a lot - as does inheriting two active wars instead of one.



A war monger?
Trump.
After all, he escalated conflict in all the active combat zones he inherited, campaigned on allowing the US to do more war crimes, increased the areas he felt the US was legally allowed to bomb in, and repeatedly used threats of military engagement as part of his foreign policy approach to a degree many found reckless.
That said, Obama was absolutely a war time president. His foreign policy was very military oriented, and he was engaged in active wars and conflict zones, and also escalated US presence in more than one of them.

Just because Trump was a war monger in a way Obama wasn't. (As you yourself point out, in rhetoric Obama was more restrained) doesn't mean he was a worse war time president.
They were both very bad on that.
Threats of military action leading to no new wars...is that reckless...or is that tactful?
Ironic that Obama get a peace prize isn't it?

Has anyone ever said Trump was "good at killing people"? https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-said-hes-really-good-at-killing-people-2013-11

Why is it that if a president speaks eloquently, he gets a pass?

In a single year, Obama carried out more drone strikes than President Bush did during his entire presidency. https://eagletonpoliticaljournal.rutgers.edu/us-the-world/u-s-drone-warfare-and-civilian-casualties/

My point in all of this, is how if people like someone they tend to overlook the facts. If they don't like someone, the smallest of things is magnified negatively. Cognitive bias.
 

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You said Republicans solution for the southern border was to build a wall. That is a lie and you attempted to deflect when I called you on it. Now you pretend your judge jury and executioner in typical Trump fashion but your not successful like him your just a nobody like a kid who wears air Jordan's compared to Michael Jordan
Are you referring to someone else? Your response makes no sense. Help me out by showing me what you think I said so I can try an follow along.

I'll say it again.
Trump wanted to build a wall, Democrats called him a racist.
Biden wants to now build the wall and no one is calling him a racist.

Why you bring up the Republican party I have no idea.
 

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Trump slapped all America's friends in the face while he sucked dictators dicks. I despise Trump because of how he fucked over canada and i am sure his wife and daughters admiration for Trudeau came into play. He is a petty pathetic excuse for a man. I despise people who blame others for their own failures. Man up bitch boy
You mean Trump fucked over Canada by cancelling the Keystone pipeline?
 

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Threats of military action leading to no new wars...is that reckless...or is that tactful?
Ironic that Obama get a peace prize isn't it?

Has anyone ever said Trump was "good at killing people"? https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-said-hes-really-good-at-killing-people-2013-11

Why is it that if a president speaks eloquently, he gets a pass?

In a single year, Obama carried out more drone strikes than President Bush did during his entire presidency. https://eagletonpoliticaljournal.rutgers.edu/us-the-world/u-s-drone-warfare-and-civilian-casualties/

My point in all of this, is how if people like someone they tend to overlook the facts. If they don't like someone, the smallest of things is magnified negatively. Cognitive bias.
Those goalposts are sure shifting around a lot.
Now its all about 'starting' a war instead of just dropping more bombs with the existing wars.
rump was no more peaceful than any other POTUS, he just couldn't convince anyone to go along.
 

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Those goalposts are sure shifting around a lot.
Now its all about 'starting' a war instead of just dropping more bombs with the existing wars.
rump was no more peaceful than any other POTUS, he just couldn't convince anyone to go along.
Must be irritating for you to come to terms with the reality that Obama wasn't the peaceful liberal you thought he was compared to Trump.
Not moving goal posts...just pointing our the hypocrisy...again.
 

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Must be irritating for you to come to terms with the reality that Obama wasn't the peaceful liberal you thought he was compared to Trump.
Not moving goal posts...just pointing our the hypocrisy...again.
At turnips latest rally he said Obama is rhe current US president and Kim Jon un is the leader of chiner.
 
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Threats of military action leading to no new wars...is that reckless...or is that tactful?\
It certainly wasn't tactful.

Ironic that Obama get a peace prize isn't it?
An absolute embarrassment that the prize committee should never fully live down.
It speaks volumes about just how bad George Bush was that they gave a prize to Obama just for not being him, but it was just an amazingly stupid thing to do.

Probably not.
In general Trump is pretty incompetent, so people don't say things like that about him.
Also, there are so many other things people have to criticize him about, someone saying that just is never going to make the press as it isn't the most interesting attack line to take against him.

Why is it that if a president speaks eloquently, he gets a pass?
They don't.
You seem obsessed with the idea that they do, though.

In a single year, Obama carried out more drone strikes than President Bush did during his entire presidency. https://eagletonpoliticaljournal.rutgers.edu/us-the-world/u-s-drone-warfare-and-civilian-casualties/
And the record for most bombs dropped in a year on Afghanistan was during Trump's presidency except, of course, for the 2001 invasion itself.
I think he also set the record for most bombs dropped on Iraq and Syria in a year.
And on Yemen in a year. (And his totals on Yemen may be more than everyone else combined.)

My point in all of this, is how if people like someone they tend to overlook the facts. If they don't like someone, the smallest of things is magnified negatively. Cognitive bias.
I'm glad you are aware you are doing that here.
Pretending Trump was against war and didn't escalate bombing and threats is not helpful.
 
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No doubt that Trump won the 2016 elections although he received less votes than Clinton. Hillary Clinton did not start an insurrection when she lost the elections but did the right thing about admitting that she lost the elections.

But did Trump not lose both the popularity votes and the 2020 elections and until this day is living in denial about that fact in spite of losing over 60 court cases challenging these facts?
Popular vote is irrelevant that's not how the Electoral College works. You know that.
Trump didn't start an insurrection either, that's blatantly false. People who believe that have pebbles for brains.
However what Clinton did start was the entire Russian collusion hoax against the Trump administration.
 

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Popular vote is irrelevant that's not how the Electoral College works. You know that.
Trump didn't start an insurrection either, that's blatantly false. People who believe that have pebbles for brains.
However what Clinton did start was the entire Russian collusion hoax against the Trump administration.
Do you think that if Trump had accepted that he fairly and squarely lost the 2020 elections then there would still have been an insurrection?
He was 100% responsible for the whole insurrection with his cronies colluding with the far right to march on Capitol Hill.
But where is the proof linking Clinton to the Mueller investigation into the Russian collusion so called "hoax". We know that several parts of that report were redacted by Trump's pet at that time called Bill Barr.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/1118625157/doj-barr-trump-russia-investigation-memo

Just Trump's cult followers believe that Hillary Clinton should be "locked up" for all the "corruption". Yet zero proof in that respect and the only one who has been indicted is of course Trump!!
 

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Popular vote is irrelevant that's not how the Electoral College works. You know that.
Trump didn't start an insurrection either, that's blatantly false. People who believe that have pebbles for brains.
However what Clinton did start was the entire Russian collusion hoax against the Trump administration.
You should hear what his 'lawyers' said on video in testimony.
 

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Popular vote is irrelevant that's not how the Electoral College works. You know that.
Trump didn't start an insurrection either, that's blatantly false. People who believe that have pebbles for brains.
However what Clinton did start was the entire Russian collusion hoax against the Trump administration.
He actually DID start an insurrection.

But he's so incompetent that it was just a piddly-ass little riot. And then he turned his back on the people who fought for him on 6 Jan and let them go to jail while he partied at Mar-a-Lago. That's your hero, Kirk. A fat, unethical, disloyal, orange-haired fuck.
 
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Chip Roy republican congressman - asks 8f anyone can think of one thing the r congress has done...crickets
 

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Chip Roy republican congressman - asks 8f anyone can think of one thing the r congress has done...crickets
modes runnig interference for the twice impeached, multi indicted former insurectioist in chief and trying to destroy democracy count?
 
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