Vance/Walz debate!!

[bver_hunter]

The issue is the large downward revision in the employment numbers months in August. It should call into question the Bureau of Labor's accuracy.

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Some election watchers also noted the Fed cutting rates by 50 basis points right before the election was a bit large. 25 basis points is a normal step. This is also very questionable because if the job numbers are accurate the 50 basis point cut looks very premature.

You are pulling up the annual statistics between April 2023 - March 2024 that was revised in August. They must have learnt from their mistakes. Anyway, it is much better than January 2021 that Biden inherited.

The most recent Statistics is 254,000 just in September. Of course The Republicans are praying and hoping that it would be revised downwards just like it was in August for the previous Fiscal Year. The Statistics far exceed what was predicted:

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[bver_hunter]

"Spotting some stuff" in a photo YOU posted.

Just making fake claims about the "Crack Pipe" and "Tampons" that do not exist in the photo!!

 

[bver_hunter]

Those weren't lies...those were opinions and accusations. Very different.
Now go tidy up your place, it's a mess!

They were lies and just false presumptions on your part!!
My place is always tidy. Just go and practice what you preach at your place!!

 

[Skoob]

You have no insight into what Biden was thinking when he made his decision. He could have stayed and ran. Maybe he realized he was going to lose, and it was more important that he step aside and let Harris take over. The only reason this is an issue for the right is because she's reinvigorated the Democrats, and Trump isn't able to coast to what most people thought might be an easy victory. But, the fact is, this was not a coup. And, shockingly, the Democratic party is allowed to make their own rules about who is the candidate. And, the fact that Harris is already the VP, and could be president if Biden were incapacitated, makes the transition of candidates easier. She was already on the ticket.

You can keep saying it was a coup but it doesn't make it true.

Biden and his party kept his mental state hidden and only after they couldn't hide it any longer they conveniently had him "step aside". One minute he was determined to stay the course, and overnight he was replaced as if he was assassinated. Only about 50% of vice presidents have gone on to run for the presidency so no it's not just "easier" and assumed.
Harris has struggled with flip flopping between continuing with his failed policies, and trying to push her own despite the hypocrisy that keeps kicking her in the crotch.

That's not "reinvigorating" that's desperate.

 

[Skoob]

They were lies and just false presumptions on your part!!
My place is always tidy. Just go and practice what you preach at your place!!

An opinion is not a lie.
A presumption is not a lie.
An accusation is not a lie.
A suggestion is not a lie.

You are well informed. That is a lie.

Hope I helped you understand the difference.

 

[Skoob]

Just making fake claims about the "Crack Pipe" and "Tampons" that do not exist in the photo!!

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That's why I asked you if those were the items in the pic...you should know...it's your pic right?

 

[bver_hunter]

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That's why I asked you if those were the items in the pic...you should know...it's your pic right?

You did ask, but then made an assumption that your allegations were correct in the next sentence:

Is that a used tampon on your tv stand? Crack pipe in a ziplock?
Now it all makes sense.

Who posts photos of your own household rooms / items etc on this Forum?
So to answer your question you are 100% wrong, that it's my personal photo!!
But you spot stuff that you are very familiar such as items like tampons and crack pipes except that they are just look alike and not the "Crack Pipes" or "Tampons"..........LOL!!

 

[bver_hunter]

An opinion is not a lie.
A presumption is not a lie.
An accusation is not a lie.
A suggestion is not a lie.

You are well informed. That is a lie.

Hope I helped you understand the difference.

You kept on harping on and on about the Crack Pipe as well as Tampons that you presumed to belong to me.
In spite of telling you that they were not mine you kept lying that they were. So you were lying about it, and even instructing me to "clean up"!!
Admit it......you were lying!!

 

[squeezer]

Biden was forced out. Harris was appointed by the party elders.

What went down went down. People can cheer it or criticize it. However, we don't need lessons spinning what's in the dictionary.

I believe Pelosi persuaded Biden to pack it in and if so good for her. If only the Repugs had folks with balls to tell Trump to pack it in and move along. Let's see if he loses in 2024 and your cult loses the house and hopefully the Senate the Repubs finally grow a backbone and tell the Conman/Felon/Rapist to take a hike.

 

[silentkisser]

Biden was forced out. Harris was appointed by the party elders.

What went down went down. People can cheer it or criticize it. However, we don't need lessons spinning what's in the dictionary.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were there and have first-person perspective. Quit the bullshit. Again, no evidence this happened. Even if the party leadership wanted him gone, he could have fought back. He's the incumbent. He was still fairly popular, and was a foil against Trump. It doesn't mean he would have won. But, just because someone is pressuring you doesn't mean you give up. Again, it sounds like Biden put country ahead of his own ambition. That is something Trump would NEVER do.

 

[WyattEarp]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were there and have first-person perspective. Quit the bullshit. Again, no evidence this happened. Even if the party leadership wanted him gone, he could have fought back. He's the incumbent. He was still fairly popular, and was a foil against Trump. It doesn't mean he would have won. But, just because someone is pressuring you doesn't mean you give up. Again, it sounds like Biden put country ahead of his own ambition. That is something Trump would NEVER do.

It would seem your political sensibility requires genteel explanations for Biden's action. That's your prerogative. However, it's also not first person.

Apparently, Squeeze and perhaps many others believe he was "persuaded" to step down. I would simply say strongly "persuaded".

We were all there when Biden was fighting back only to abruptly submit to calls from multiple party leaders to step down. Those few days were a historical moment. I wouldn't argue so vehemently on what amounts to semantics.

 

[silentkisser]

Biden and his party kept his mental state hidden and only after they couldn't hide it any longer they conveniently had him "step aside". One minute he was determined to stay the course, and overnight he was replaced as if he was assassinated. Only about 50% of vice presidents have gone on to run for the presidency so no it's not just "easier" and assumed.
Harris has struggled with flip flopping between continuing with his failed policies, and trying to push her own despite the hypocrisy that keeps kicking her in the crotch.

That's not "reinvigorating" that's desperate.

And, what is his mental state? He's old. But he still seems sharp, just lower energy. That doesn't mean he couldn't do the job....And Trump is only 2 years younger....You really have no clue what you're talking about, just parroting right-wing smears. As mentioned, if you look at the timeline, he got COVID. That could certainly sap the energy out of even a younger person. Maybe he realized he wouldn't win, and it was more important to keep Trump out of power than his political ambition.

I think that whole "desperate" feeling is coming from MAGA, who thought they would just sail into November and win. Now that she's kicking Trump's ass, they are trying to pull out all the stops to smear her. And, it really is pretty pathetic to watch. The whole Trump campaign reeks of desperation, he trying to find a good nickname for her and still failing.

 

[silentkisser]

It would seem your political sensibility requires genteel explanations for Biden's action. That's your prerogative. However, it's also not first person.

Apparently, Squeeze and perhaps many others believe he was "persuaded" to step down. I would simply say strongly "persuaded".

We were all there when Biden was fighting back only to abruptly submit to calls from multiple party leaders to step down. Those few days were a historical moment. I wouldn't argue so vehemently on what amounts to semantics.

My point here is that we don't know what happened. He may have seen the writing on the wall about the likely outcome in November, and stepped down for the good of the country. He got sick, an illness which can sap a lot of strength from an already old dude. That could put a lot of things into perspective. But to say they forced him with a metaphorical gun to his head to step down is hyperbolic. That is just idle speculation with no credible evidence or witness accounts that it happened. So, to say he was "forced" is just a way to smear Harris and make her appear illegitimate for political purposes. And, I'm sure the MAGAts are upset about it, because she has reinvigorated the race for the Dems, and has gained significant ground in the polls, especially in battleground swing states...

 

[WyattEarp]

My point here is that we don't know what happened. He may have seen the writing on the wall about the likely outcome in November, and stepped down for the good of the country. He got sick, an illness which can sap a lot of strength from an already old dude. That could put a lot of things into perspective. But to say they forced him with a metaphorical gun to his head to step down is hyperbolic. That is just idle speculation with no credible evidence or witness accounts that it happened. So, to say he was "forced" is just a way to smear Harris and make her appear illegitimate for political purposes. And, I'm sure the MAGAts are upset about it, because she has reinvigorated the race for the Dems, and has gained significant ground in the polls, especially in battleground swing states...

Sometimes democratic politics doesn't give us the answers we want nor the orderly processes we desire. You are ignoring timelines and events just as recent as late July.

As late as July 19th, Biden was stating he would not step down. The list of party leaders and party caucuses demanding he step down grew rapidly. He stepped down July 21st. These we know to be facts.

As far as Harris being nominated, it was unprecedented based on modern Presidential election history. I think you are trying to make an impossible argument coming from your own beliefs. People are entitled to hold a different perspective on how it all went down.

I personally don't think Biden did anything heroic, but again you might have a different perspective and use the word heroic differently. The real test will be what happens if Harris loses in November. You will likely see far more candor and a reevaluation of how the party found itself in that position a little over 100 days from the election.

 

[WyattEarp]

So Suck Up To It Trump / Vance!!

Beav, the dockworkers agreed to suspend the strike until January 15th. The biggest hurdle to an agreement was not addressed. There was no agreement in principle or any other way on the matter of automation on the docks.

It's not unusual for Presidential Administrations to try to settle or postpone a strike during the political season. So I am not criticizing this effort. However, the strike has not been settled.

This is one of the dangers of relying on Twitter as a source of news.

 

[bver_hunter]

Beav, the dockworkers agreed to suspend the strike until January 15th. The biggest hurdle to an agreement was not addressed. There was no agreement in principle or any other way on the matter of automation on the docks.

It's not unusual for Presidential Administrations to try to settle or postpone a strike during the political season. So I am not criticizing this effort. However, the strike has not been settled.

This is one of the dangers of relying on Twitter as a source of news.

Earp, this was a critical agreement without invoking the Tax-Hartley Act of 1947, that would have mandated the Union Workers to be back on their duties. The Biden administration were being pressured to invoke it and he refused, which turned out to be rightly so. It is unlikely that the dock workers will be back on the picket lines after getting a significant pay rise. The impact would have been significant if this agreement was not reached. So we have to give credit where credit is due as these workers have not beed awarded any pay rises for quite a few years while profits have been at record levels!!

 

[WyattEarp]

Earp, this was a critical agreement without invoking the Tax-Hartley Act of 1947, that would have mandated the Union Workers to be back on their duties. The Biden administration were being pressured to invoke it and he refused, which turned out to be rightly so. It is unlikely that the dock workers will be back on the picket lines after getting a significant pay rise. The impact would have been significant if this agreement was not reached. So we have to give credit where credit is due as these workers have not beed awarded any pay rises for quite a few years while profits have been at record levels!!

Biden refused to invoke the Taft-Hartley Act because a Democratic President can't be seen forcibly preventing a strike. Trying to push the matter past the election is a normal thing for an Administration. For that, they can take some credit but probably not as much as you are cheering.

The dock union's battle over automation is still the major issue. Perhaps the two parties kick it down the road another few years or perhaps it rages again next year. That doesn't mean it went away.

No one is saying the dockworkers didn't get a big raise.

 

[squeezer]

Hear newly unearthed audio of Vance discussing 2020 election results

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844407599254716892

 

[bver_hunter]

Biden refused to invoke the Taft-Hartley Act because a Democratic President can't be seen forcibly preventing a strike. Trying to push the matter past the election is a normal thing for an Administration. For that, they can take some credit but probably not as much as you are cheering.

The dock union's battle over automation is still the major issue. Perhaps the two parties kick it down the road another few years or perhaps it rages again next year. That doesn't mean it went away.

No one is saying the dockworkers didn't get a big raise.

Biden was being pressured by the businesses as well as several members of Congress to do so.
But the whole point is that the administration should be given the credit for preventing the strike, even if it is on a temporary basis.
Nothing to do with politics and more to do with a deep concern for the supply chains that would have affected every sector of the USA economy directly or indirectly!!