US-Russia talks: The rubber finally hits the road

oil&gas

Well-known member
Apr 16, 2002
14,344
2,378
113
Ghawar
How can one be such a hypocrite is astonishing. You yell and scream how Israel is the bad guy for their occupation of Gaza and you cheer Russia on and defend it with your every nonsensical breath of the illegal invasion and occupation of Ukraine.

Loss of 20% of Ukraine by now is a reality. Loss of more than 20% by illegal
Russian invasion can only be justified if Trump's peace plan has to be sabotaged,
I will find it easier to justifiy loss of 100% of Ukraine if it has to be defended
against Trump's success in striking a peace deal with Putin.
 

nottyboi

Well-known member
May 14, 2008
24,064
2,378
113
How can one be such a hypocrite is astonishing. You yell and scream how Israel is the bad guy for their occupation of Gaza and you cheer Russia on and defend it with your every nonsensical breath of the illegal invasion and occupation of Ukraine.
I am not a Hypocrite. Ukraine presented a threat to Russia by inviting enemies of Russia onto their territory and attacking Russian diaspora in the Donbas. Russia offered them a peace agreement which they agreed to with UNSC approval then broke. Now Russia has annexed these territories. The situation is not the same as Gaza, but I have also suggested in the past that Israel annex the Pali territories but without ethnic cleansing. Israel is the bad guy because they are oppressing the Palis in a horrific manner. Look at Crimea, are they oppressed? Did Israel offer the Palis to join Israel as citizens? All the people in Crimea and Donbas are full citizens with passports. and full rights under Russian law.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: squeezer

nottyboi

Well-known member
May 14, 2008
24,064
2,378
113
Loss of 20% of Ukraine by now is a reality. Loss of more than 20% by illegal
Russian invasion can only be justified if Trump's peace plan has to be sabotaged,
I will find it easier to justifiy loss of 100% of Ukraine if it has to be defended
against Trump's success in striking a peace deal with Putin.
I don't think RUssia really wants the non-ethic Russian dominated areas. I think at most they will take Odessa and Nikolayev for keeps the rest they will subdue and spin off into a rump state eventually. But keeping Ukraine out of the Black Sea is a desirable strategic gain.
 

Frankfooter

dangling member
Apr 10, 2015
95,642
24,453
113
How can one be such a hypocrite is astonishing. You yell and scream how Israel is the bad guy for their occupation of Gaza and you cheer Russia on and defend it with your every nonsensical breath of the illegal invasion and occupation of Ukraine.
But then you are also a hypocrite for not calling out Israel for refusing to end the illegal occupation of Palestine.

You have to be against both if you want rules based governance.
 

nottyboi

Well-known member
May 14, 2008
24,064
2,378
113
You mean that Ukraine should have just rolled over and been occupied by Russia?
They should have stuck to the UNSC approved Minsk 2 agreement. Would you rather live in a country controlled by Putin or be free in rubble in the freezing cold and lose everything you have? St Petersburg or Bakhmut? FYI the US envoy Witkoff said his impression is the people of Donbas overwhelming want to remain Russian and not go back to being under Ukraine.
 
Last edited:

squeezer

Well-known member
Jan 8, 2010
22,461
17,607
113
But then you are also a hypocrite for not calling out Israel for refusing to end the illegal occupation of Palestine.

You have to be against both if you want rules based governance.
Ukraine never attacked Russia, ever! Not once did they throw a missile into Russia, a rocket into Russia, a dumbass strapped with a bomb on his or her chest, and didn't go into Russia and kill innocent folks at a concert. This is reality, deal with it and deal with your dumbass idiot Palastian supporters who didn't go out and vote for Kamala because right now, what BIbi does under the happy eye or Trump, it's well-earned and deserved.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mandrill

squeezer

Well-known member
Jan 8, 2010
22,461
17,607
113
I am not a Hypocrite. Ukraine presented a threat to Russia by inviting enemies of Russia onto their territory and attacking Russian diaspora in the Donbas. Russia offered them a peace agreement which they agreed to with UNSC approval then broke. Now Russia has annexed these territories. The situation is not the same as Gaza, but I have also suggested in the past that Israel annex the Pali territories but without ethnic cleansing. Israel is the bad guy because they are oppressing the Palis in a horrific manner. Look at Crimea, are they oppressed? Did Israel offer the Palis to join Israel as citizens? All the people in Crimea and Donbas are full citizens with passports. and full rights under Russian law.
Sorry, I left out a delusional hypocrite, my apologies
 
  • Like
Reactions: mandrill

Frankfooter

dangling member
Apr 10, 2015
95,642
24,453
113
Ukraine never attacked Russia, ever! Not once did they throw a missile into Russia, a rocket into Russia, a dumbass strapped with a bomb on his or her chest, and didn't go into Russia and kill innocent folks at a concert. This is reality, deal with it and deal with your dumbass idiot Palastian supporters who didn't go out and vote for Kamala because right now, what BIbi does under the happy eye or Trump, it's well-earned and deserved.
Ok, lets test this out.
Draw me a map of where you think the borders of Israel and Palestine lie.

Then we can start talking about who attacked who and who is being occupied.
 

squeezer

Well-known member
Jan 8, 2010
22,461
17,607
113
Ok, lets test this out.
Draw me a map of where you think the borders of Israel and Palestine lie.

Then we can start talking about who attacked who and who is being occupied.
Wherever Donald J. Trumputin decides it should be when the development commences of TrumpGaza
 

Frankfooter

dangling member
Apr 10, 2015
95,642
24,453
113
Wherever Donald J. Trumputin decides it should be when the development commences of TrumpGaza
C'mon, you keep arguing like you believe there is no Palestine and its all Israel?
Is that your real opinion?

Why else can't you post a map with the borders of Israel?
If you're so certain of your view it should be easy.
 

nottyboi

Well-known member
May 14, 2008
24,064
2,378
113
Sorry, I left out a delusional hypocrite, my apologies
Are you claiming the people in Crimea are oppressed? That the people in Donbas don't want to join Russia? You can't refute any of that so all you offer is a empty allegation. Lets face it, right from the outset this war has developed exactly as I predicted, you were wayyyyy off. 🤣👌
 

squeezer

Well-known member
Jan 8, 2010
22,461
17,607
113
C'mon, you keep arguing like you believe there is no Palestine and its all Israel?
Is that your real opinion?

Why else can't you post a map with the borders of Israel?
If you're so certain of your view it should be easy.
Trumputin will remove any drawn-in lines so there is no point in me pandering to your ridiculous obsession

Are you claiming the people in Crimea are oppressed? That the people in Donbas don't want to join Russia? You can't refute any of that so all you offer is a empty allegation. Lets face it, right from the outset this war has developed exactly as I predicted, you were wayyyyy off. 🤣👌

Reading is your friend instead of pulling bullshit Putin propaganda out of your ass and NO THE WAR has lasted more than 3 days or 3 weeks and Russia is cannon fodder because Putin doesn't give a rats ass of its people

 

Frankfooter

dangling member
Apr 10, 2015
95,642
24,453
113
Trumputin will remove any drawn-in lines so there is no point in me pandering to your ridiculous obsession
This is just an admission that you know its hypocritical to post so often and so emphatically about how evil it is that Russia is occupying Ukraine while supporting Israel occupying and colonizing Palestine.

If you stand for a rules based governance the rules need to apply to everyone, otherwise you just fit valcazar's definition of conservatives.
 

oil&gas

Well-known member
Apr 16, 2002
14,344
2,378
113
Ghawar
.................................
Reading is your friend instead of pulling bullshit Putin propaganda out of your ass and NO THE WAR has lasted more than 3 days or 3 weeks and Russia is cannon fodder because Putin doesn't give a rats ass of its people
..........................
Between Putin and Zelensky who do you think will gain more
from the war?

If only soldiers fighting on one side of the conflict are
cannon fodder I think that would be the side losing the war.
Those who died on the other side are more like collateral
damage.
 
Toronto Escorts