US-Russia talks: The rubber finally hits the road

[Frankfooter]

Sounds like Ukraine's hits on Russian oil infrastructure was successful, since Putin has agreed that the 30 day ceasefire only really applies to oil infrastructure.

Putin may well get what he wants in Ukraine

The Russian president is quite close to drawing a thick red line in Eastern Europe that the West will have to respect.

www.aljazeera.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1900919117437182233

 

[nottyboi]

So Ukraine agreed to an unconditional ceasefire, because someone on YouTube titled the video as such?

https://www.state.gov/joint-statement-on-the-united-states-ukraine-meeting-in-jeddah/

the only condition as I said was Russian reciprocity.

 

[nottyboi]

Sounds like Ukraine's hits on Russian oil infrastructure was successful, since Putin has agreed that the 30 day ceasefire only really applies to oil infrastructure.

Putin may well get what he wants in Ukraine

The Russian president is quite close to drawing a thick red line in Eastern Europe that the West will have to respect.

www.aljazeera.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1900919117437182233

Subsonic cruise missile with GPS guidance, unless they can build a few hundred and launch them in a swarm I doubt they will have much success

 

[Valcazar]

Yes they did, but clearly its reciprocal. If Russia agrees with the USA its on. So Russia said no way to the full ceasefire but agreed to the one on energy infrastructure. So its on.

Even that piece doesn't say what you tried to say.
Putin rejected that one.
This doesn't mean Ukraine has now committed to accept whatever other plan USA proposes.

 

[Valcazar]

https://www.state.gov/joint-statement-on-the-united-states-ukraine-meeting-in-jeddah/

the only condition as I said was Russian reciprocity.

For that 30-day total ceasefire.
Again, nothing in this says what you claimed.

 

[Frankfooter]

Subsonic cruise missile with GPS guidance, unless they can build a few hundred and launch them in a swarm I doubt they will have much success

Ukraine has a missiles with 1000 mile range, where 70% of Russian oil infrastructure sits.
So Putin wants a truce on hitting oil.

 

[nottyboi]

Ukraine has a missiles with 1000 mile range, where 70% of Russian oil infrastructure sits.
So Putin wants a truce on hitting oil.

If they had them in large numbers they would be using them. The US also wants to keep oil prices down so its also in Trumps interest.

 

[nottyboi]

For that 30-day total ceasefire.
Again, nothing in this says what you claimed.

Yes it is, they agreed to a 30 day ceasefire with Russian reciprocity being the only condition.

 

[nottyboi]

For that 30-day total ceasefire.
Again, nothing in this says what you claimed.

No mention of the word "total"

 

[nottyboi]

Even that piece doesn't say what you tried to say.
Putin rejected that one.
This doesn't mean Ukraine has now committed to accept whatever other plan USA proposes.

Play back the video of what happened the last time Z pushed back.

 

[basketcase]

Both sides have been exchanging air attacks.
...

Putin allegedly agreed to a deal to not target civilian energy infrastructure then promptly did exactly that. Is that not worth criticizing?

 

[basketcase]

Subsonic cruise missile with GPS guidance, unless they can build a few hundred and launch them in a swarm I doubt they will have much success

Yet they sure seem to be capable of hitting targets all over Russia.

 

[nottyboi]

Yet they sure seem to be capable of hitting targets all over Russia.

Didn't you just say in your last post they had no ability to attack Russia?

 

[nottyboi]

Putin allegedly agreed to a deal to not target civilian energy infrastructure then promptly did exactly that. Is that not worth criticizing?

Energy related civilian infrastructure. How do you know none of it was dual use?

 

[basketcase]

Energy related civilian infrastructure. How do you know none of it was dual use?

So you're okay to ignore Putin's alleged promise based on an assumption that not even Putin is claiming?

 

[basketcase]

Didn't you just say in your last post they had no ability to attack Russia?

As I said, before the Russian invasion, Ukraine had no drone program (and no reason to even consider an attack on Russia). That program only exists because Vlad's invasion. Meanwhile we know Putin is happy to invade his neighbours so under your logic, maybe the rest of the world should stop Russia from having nukes.

p.s. Reports are the Russia destroyed the gas transfer station in Sudzha which is Russian energy infrastructure.

 

[Frankfooter]

Didn't you just say in your last post they had no ability to attack Russia?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1900141484541694276

 

[nottyboi]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1900141484541694276

If they could launch 2000 of these a month..it MIGHT make a diff.

 

[Frankfooter]

If they could launch 2000 of these a month..it MIGHT make a diff.

Russia doesn't have 2000 refineries.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902988720774496549

 

[nottyboi]

Russia doesn't have 2000 refineries.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902988720774496549

No, but but they have scores of anti aircraft systems. So it will take saturation for them to get thru. Also they have very advanced electronic warfare. The lack of a big explosion in the first vid, indicates it probably missed the target, if not there woulda been a huge fireball. They will score some spectacular successes from time to time, but its not gonna make any difference.