US Poll: If 2 States Fail Americans Favor 1 Democratic State - Not Jewish State

[gryfin]

First you have to establish that it is your country THEN you have a right to enter.

All your talk of refugees and ethnic cleansing is an irrelevant wild goose chase. The right is inherent to all citizens of a country regardless of why they are outside the country.

The question is are they citizens? If they were born in the territory, likely yes. Otherwise there is no reason to think they are.

Since you can't produce a single real world example where the children of those ethnically cleansed were not allowed to return, let's see if you can produce anything that says the Right of Return is limited to those having citizenship in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Still waiting for you to substantiate your claim. Or are we going to find out it's just another one of your nutty ideas?

 

[fuji]

Since you can't produce a single real world example where the children of those ethnically cleansed were not allowed to return, let's see if you can produce anything that says the Right of Return is limited to those having citizenship in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Still waiting for you to substantiate your claim. Or are we going to find out it's just another one of your nutty ideas?

Sorry not doing your homework for you. You claim they have a right to Israeli citizenship, you prove it.

The right of return has NOTHING to do with being a refugee. It is a universal right everyone has to return to their own country. But you have given NO REASON WHATSOEVER to believe that Israel is their country.

 

[gryfin]

Sorry not doing your homework for you. You claim they have a right to Israeli citizenship, you prove it.

The right of return has NOTHING to do with being a refugee. It is a universal right everyone has to return to their own country. But you have given NO REASON WHATSOEVER to believe that Israel is their country.

Then why not do your own homework for your own claim? Let's see if you can produce anything that says the Right of Return is limited to those having citizenship in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

 

[fuji]

Then why not do your own homework for your own claim? Let's see if you can produce anything that says the Right of Return is limited to those having citizenship in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

I can certainly substantiate that an individual only had a right to return to 'his country', it is right in the text. He has to establish that it is indeed his country before it applies. How do you propose that a Syrian born Palestinian establish that Israel is in fact his country?

Note that this is a clear prerequisite. It must be established on its own.

 

[gryfin]

I can certainly substantiate that an individual only had a right to return to 'his country', it is right in the text. He has to establish that it is indeed his country before it applies. How do you propose that a Syrian born Palestinian establish that Israel is in fact his country?

Note that this is a clear prerequisite. It must be established on its own.

Still waiting for you to produce the text you claimed existed. Just to remind you:

First you have to establish that it is your country THEN you have a right to enter.

All your talk of refugees and ethnic cleansing is an irrelevant wild goose chase. The right is inherent to all citizens of a country regardless of why they are outside the country.

The question is are they citizens? If they were born in the territory, likely yes. Otherwise there is no reason to think they are.

Since you can't produce a single real world example where the children of those ethnically cleansed were not allowed to return, let's see if you can produce anything that says the Right of Return is limited to those having citizenship in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Still waiting for you to substantiate your claim. Or are we going to find out it's just another one of your nutty ideas?

 

[fuji]

Still waiting for you to produce the text you claimed existed. Just to remind you:

Since you can't produce a single real world example where the children of those ethnically cleansed were not allowed to return, let's see if you can produce anything that says the Right of Return is limited to those having citizenship in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Still waiting for you to substantiate your claim. Or are we going to find out it's just another one of your nutty ideas?

Sorry but your ludicrous claims are false unless proved true, not true unless proved false. Unless it is written in some binding law or a treaty then Israel is a sovereign nation that can do whatever it likes.

The UDHR and CCPR allow you to return to your own country. They contain no language about refugees at all. They don't make a country your country if it wasn't already, that would be circular.

 

[gryfin]

Sorry but your ludicrous claims are false unless proved true, not true unless proved false. Unless it is written in some binding law or a treaty then Israel is a sovereign nation that can do whatever it likes.

The UDHR and CCPR allow you to return to your own country. They contain no language about refugees at all. They don't make a country your country if it wasn't already, that would be circular.

Still waiting for you to produce the text you claimed existed. Just to remind you:

Since you can't produce a single real world example where the children of those ethnically cleansed were not allowed to return, let's see if you can produce anything that says the Right of Return is limited to those having citizenship in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Still waiting for you to substantiate your claim. Or are we going to find out it's just another one of your nutty ideas?

 

[fuji]

Sorry but your ludicrous claims are false unless proved true, not true unless proved false. Unless it is written in some binding law or a treaty then Israel is a sovereign nation that can do whatever it likes.

The UDHR and CCPR allow you to return to your own country. They contain no language about refugees at all. They don't make a country your country if it wasn't already, that would be circular.

Unrefuted.

You are wrong until you come up with proof. Countries have no obligations beyond what is written in treatues they have signed.

 

[gryfin]

Unrefuted.

You are wrong until you come up with proof. Countries have no obligations beyond what is written in treatues they have signed.

Impressive. A dialogue with yourself! When you come back to reality, address your own claims:

Still waiting for you to produce the text you claimed existed. Just to remind you:

Since you can't produce a single real world example where the children of those ethnically cleansed were not allowed to return, let's see if you can produce anything that says the Right of Return is limited to those having citizenship in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Still waiting for you to substantiate your claim. Or are we going to find out it's just another one of your nutty ideas?

 

[fuji]

Recap of where we are:

It was pointed out that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights extends a right of entry to a country ONLY to people from that country. It uses the phrase "to his country" in describing who gets this right, in the text: "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country. "

You haven't provided a single, solitary reason to think that someone born in Syria would have any way to claim that Israel was "his country", and in fact all the evidence we've seen would indicate that it is not his country--Syria, the country of his birth, is his country and not Israel, a country he has never even set foot in. The UDHR text has NOTHING to do with ethnic cleansing or even refugees, which you have brought up to make the argument emotional and try and obfuscate the issue. The text in the UDHR though, is straightforward and simple -- you have a right to return to your own country, and as such, you have to have some acceptable evidence that it's your country in order to claim that right.

Since failing utterly and completely to provide even a shred of evidence for your claim that this should apply to foreigners born outside a country just because of who their ancestors are, with no reason whatsoever given to justify your crazy belief, you have been yammering on trying to claim that you are right unless proved wrong.

You're just stupid. I note that you have totally failed to produce a UN resolution stating that you are stupid, and until you provide evidence of a treaty stating that you are not stupid, it has been proved that you are a complete fucking idiotic moro. Hey this is your line of argument, "my claim is true unless you prove it isn't" -- BULL SHIT.