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Olivia Chow Tells Butler1000: "I am going to WISELY INVEST your transit levy $$$"

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Olivia Chow Tells Butler1000: "I am going to WISELY INVEST your transit levy $$$"

Olivia Chow would cancel Scarborough subway — but keep its tax hike


By: Daniel Dale City Hall, Published on Mon Mar 24 2014
Toronto Star


Olivia Chow would cancel the Scarborough subway extension that requires a 1.6 per cent dedicated property tax increase — but would keep that tax increase in place even after she killed the project.

“We're working within the fiscal plan as passed by council. A fully-costed platform will be released in time. You are correct: we will re-allocate funding for the Scarborough underground,” Chow campaign spokesman Jamey Heath said Monday.

Heath noted that Chow has promised to keep property tax increases “in line with” and “around” the rate of inflation, an imprecise pledge that is nonetheless the clearest yet made by any major mayoral candidate. But Heath would not say whether those near-inflationary increases would come over and above the levy that was intended for the Scarborough project.

“We're going to have a full transit plan, with a full platform, in time. With respect to the Scarborough allotment, we are 10 days into a seven-month campaign,” Heath said in an email. “We have released more specifics than any other candidate. We could do what Mr. Tory does and release only vague puff, pretending it's coherent policy. We aren't doing that. At the same time, with respect, you're asking for considerable detail about one aspect of Olivia's platform without seeing the platform in its entirety.”

The provincial government had planned to pay all of the costs of a seven-stop light rail extension. The three-stop subway project council approved instead, at the urging of Mayor Rob Ford and then-TTC chair Karen Stintz, requires a 30-year local tax, intended to raise $745 million, and a $165 million increase to local development charges.

John Tory, like Ford and Stintz, would build the subway if elected mayor. Chow and David Soknacki, would attempt to revert to light rail. Chow says that move would free up money for other priorities.

“That's why I think the below-ground rail service in Scarborough needs to be changed to above-ground. And by doing that, we are in fact saving a billion dollars. That is a whole lot of money, and Scarborough residents will get the respect, they get the better service, with a billion dollars less — and that will give us the fiscal room to build that relief line, to increase better bus service, to do the housing we need, to fix the housing that is now falling apart — TCHC,” she said on CBC's Metro Morning on Monday.

The tax levy, a 0.5 per cent hike this year, will rise to become a 1.6 per cent total hike in 2016, and it will stay at that level for about 30 years. By 2016, it will cost residents about $40 per year more than they would theoretically pay otherwise.

Inflation is currently low, between 1.1 and 1.5 per cent, which means an inflationary increase plus the Scarborough increase would bring the total increase to somewhere in the realm of 2 and 3 per cent. That would be similar to three Ford-era increases: 2.7 per cent in 2014, 2 per cent in 2013 and 2.5 per cent in 2012. Ford froze taxes in 2011.

Tory, the former Progressive Conservative leader who is the top Ford challenger on the right, has promised to keep taxes “low”; he has not said precisely what he means. He argues that Chow, the former NDP MP who is the sole prominent candidate on the left, “will return to the tax and spend days of old.”

Tory says the downtown relief line subway is his top priority. He has promised a funding plan “in due course.” Stintz says she would sell a majority stake in Toronto Hydro to pay for part of the cost of the line. The proceeds would be less than $1 billion, leaving billions to be covered by other unspecified means.




Woo-hoo, Olivia sure knows exactly where that wasteful and political pandering GRAVY TRAIN is and exactly how to derail that wreck of a Ford/Tory/Stinz GRAVY TRAIN and in the process, how to wisely invest property taxpayers $$$$ to secure a brighter future for all Torontonians.

That said, it is a bold move considering the deluded mindset of many voters that 'butterflies and subways are free and so are we'.

Butler1000, PM me so we can discuss compensation and punitive damages that may be contractually obligated to you.
 
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oldjones

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C'mon, this was a Rob'n'Doug endorsed and passed tax-hike. What segment of the population could object to that? Clearly even the 'taxed-to-death' claque thinks we can afford it. More to the point, they now know the absence of Magic Gravy and Rob's Fairy Private Developers means we need it.

There is the matter of the Potemkin Pretend Subway it was gonna (partly, maybe) fund, but thousands more riders will already be gratefully taking the LRT than would ever have lined up for that boondoggle by the time it finally got around to opening.

At least this is a plan to spend it wisely.
 

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Yep. Like I said. Don't worry about A. I knew what would happen so it was a rigged bet.

OJ. And so it begins. I know better that the democratically elected council. Simple question. If it is a better plan then she needs to (if she gets in) cancel the hike and take it before council. Simple. Just like the other Mayors have to do that.
 

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Yep. Like I said. Don't worry about A. I knew what would happen so it was a rigged bet.

OJ. And so it begins. I know better that the democratically elected council. Simple question. If it is a better plan then she needs to (if she gets in) cancel the hike and take it before council. Simple. Just like the other Mayors have to do that.
Maybe she should just get 'transit city' going again.
That was a good plan, and some of its still in place.
 

oldjones

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Yep. Like I said. Don't worry about A. I knew what would happen so it was a rigged bet.

OJ. And so it begins. I know better that the democratically elected council. Simple question. If it is a better plan then she needs to (if she gets in) cancel the hike and take it before council. Simple. Just like the other Mayors have to do that.
And so would she; it ain't a voluntary thing.

Like Rob in his short-lived day, if she gets in she'll have whatever mandate the entire City bestowed on her. Until Rob blew that out his crack-pipe it was quite enough to impress Council—the same Council he and Doug now say are all lefties ganging up on them—to cancel the previous administration's (and the experts') preferred plan, in favour of his.

Of course he had no plan, and not being a thinker he had no idea what to do or propose next, so he just hid out in a series of drunken stupors.

Leaving Stintz and others to try to pull something useful—like votes—from the transit wreckage.
 

Butler1000

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From what I've seen so far she would spend half of the tax hike toward refurbushing buses and adding more drivers. So no new infrastructure and more city employees......nice.
 

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From what I've seen so far she would spend half of the tax hike toward refurbushing buses and adding more drivers. So no new infrastructure and more city employees......nice.
Purchasing and extending the life of buses which eases the burden of 'left at the bus stop' and 'crammed in like sardines' suburban bus riders forsaken by Ford's and Stintz's TTC budget cuts versus mostly empty at most times, suburban STUPID TRAINS that would needlessly and wastefully cost a fortune of gravy all in support of Rob and Karen's political ambitions.
 

Butler1000

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Purchasing and extending the life of buses which eases the burden of 'left at the bus stop' and 'crammed in like sardines' suburban bus riders forsaken by Ford's and Stintz's TTC budget cuts versus mostly empty at most times, suburban STUPID TRAINS that would needlessly and wastefully cost a fortune of gravy all in support of Rob and Karen's political ambitions.
Sure. 15 buses will easily replace 1 subway train. So let's pay all those new drivers and maintenance instead of solving the problem. Its a good stop gap but not a long term solution.

If tunnels on mainroads are so bad as compared to running LRT's down inaccessable industrial corridors why are they sinking the Eglington crosstown for most of it(at least until the border of Scarborough, again)? Are you going to tell me that the density is that big along several parts(all the way to blackcreek I believe) of eglington. Nope.

Bullshit. Its Ford that put it together. That's the only reason for the opposition. Politics at the cost of real generational infrastructure. I remember we were promised the SRT was the "solution" too. Better that a subway. 25 years later its toast.

Tunnels last forever.
 

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Do you even work Anbarandy or are you welfare collecting SOB always waiting to be subsidize?
 

Butler1000

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Do you even work Anbarandy or are you welfare collecting SOB always waiting to be subsidize?
Self admitted city worker. And pretty sure its in waste collection. Think he has a hidden agenda to get someone like Chow in....
 

Anbarandy

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Sure. 15 buses will easily replace 1 subway train. So let's pay all those new drivers and maintenance instead of solving the problem. Its a good stop gap but not a long term solution.

If tunnels on mainroads are so bad as compared to running LRT's down inaccessable industrial corridors why are they sinking the Eglington crosstown for most of it(at least until the border of Scarborough, again)? Are you going to tell me that the density is that big along several parts(all the way to blackcreek I believe) of eglington. Nope.

Bullshit. Its Ford that put it together. That's the only reason for the opposition. Politics at the cost of real generational infrastructure. I remember we were promised the SRT was the "solution" too. Better that a subway. 25 years later its toast.

Tunnels last forever.
The Ford/Tory/Stintz STUPID TRAIN will ensure that the city will be chronically, hemorrhaging gravy in epic proportions for decades to come.

They are 'sinking' the Eglinton Crosstown LRT exactly where it merits to be sunk based upon such factors as width of roadway, retail rows of storefronts and the street parking for them and low rise row residential apartments. As any person with a pair of eyes and a mind can plainly see and comprehend, this underground portion of the LRT is just west of Keele St. to just east of Bayview Avenue because that is where the streetscape clearly warrants it as the most service effective and less 'disruptively costly' delivery mode of rapid transit.

The expansive width of the roadway and lack of retail and apartment rows without parking abutting on the roadway is ideally suited for the stretches of the Eglinton roadway more akin to a highway, which is exactly westbound beyond Keele St and eastbound beyond Bayview. These portions of the Eglinton streetscape clearly warrant aboveground LRT as the most cost and service effective delivery mode of rapid transit.

Subways involve huge, huge maintenance costs.
 

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Yes why build subway which the people of scarborough want- let's do build lrt which central committee say is better for people
 

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Yes why build subway which the people of scarborough want- let's do build lrt which central committee say is better for people
better for what people? have you seen the traffic congestion? you want to compare it to europe when there are significantly less cars on the road and they have far superior integrated public transportation.
 

red

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better for what people? have you seen the traffic congestion? you want to compare it to europe when there are significantly less cars on the road and they have far superior integrated public transportation.
Are you talking to me?


If so, why ignore what I said
 

oldjones

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better for what people? have you seen the traffic congestion? you want to compare it to europe when there are significantly less cars on the road and they have far superior integrated public transportation.
Paid for by significantly higher taxes and gas prices than we freeload along on. And because they actually see the value their taxes pay for, they aren't as unhappy about paying according to the polls.

After decades of pols like Rob and Harper delivering ever less for what we pay, cutting revenues so they'll have an excuse to slash services and curtail activities, we've become thoroughly convinced taxes provide no value. Because the last time any candidate promised value was back in the Pearson Deifenbaker years. We got CPP, healthcare, unemployment pay, the Trans-Canada, a world reputation for peacekeeping …. And built subways, without the economic sky falling. If the economic sky ever did fall it was the banksters and their profit-mad pol friends like Flaherty and Ford who pulled out the props. We're still here, paying less, getting less, fewer of us working harder to earn less while they help themselves to ever larger shares of the national wealth. So we're bitching a whole lot more. Heck the Bitcher in Chief lives at 24 Sussex, and he got their by preaching to the choir.

He has a municiple counterpart whose address is in Etobicoke, but who seems unable to balance a home life and his more important binging. But all that guy can find to boast he's done for the City he leads is to say he's spent a billion less. On the basis of getting the value you pay for, that would mean we're getting as much as a billion less. And since he's raising taxes and keeping taxes he promised to abolish, it means we're paying more for it. Meanwhile my top-rated neighbourhood's streets are like craters of the moon. And that was before the winter.

Look for candidates focussed on what needs doing, instead of what doesn't and if they have the guts to say it'll cost, but the value will be worth the battle, then make them a winner.

When you hear Fordian Follies like 'cutting waste' is what we elect people to do, you've found the loser. Make sure they do.
 
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