UNSC passes resolution demanding immediate ceasefire in Gaza

shack

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Israel needs to put it down in writing, with UN and US oversight, and agree that post ceasefire, there will be a final and lasting solution to the conflict - which is to return to the 1967 borders, remove all settlements from the West Bank as they are illegal anyway, release all Palestinian detainees who have been jailed without charges or due process and agree to the formation of a new and completely sovereign Palestinian state. I would then agree, that Hamas in tandem at that time, should agree to return all hostages in good faith, and bring about a complete end to the war, kick starting conversation that results in the earlier agreed upon outcome of an independent and sovereign Palestinian state and Israeli withdrawal and return of lands stolen since 1967.
You still did not answer how Hamas surrender and return of hostages is not the FASTEST way to stop the current violence in Gaza.
 

Frankfooter

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Exact quote from you in response to why this would be helpful.

"Now that Israel is in direct contravention of a UNSC resolution other countries will find it harder to support them at all."

Nothing whatsoever about the ICJ aid.
All of that was downstream from the increasing lack of support.
Not in that sentence, but in the full quote. And if you're going to quote me use proper terb citation, use the reply function to copy and paste a quote with a link included. I can't tell which post you quoted from or why you picked only that one sentence. I would expect more accuracy from an academic with such a pedantic nature, unless you're one of those older, non tech, tenured types.

Partial quotes are dishonest, as you know.

You also know that things are coming to a boil. Biden keeps pretending to back the law, like with the UNSC, while also trying to send billions more in bombs unannounced. He's also publicly stated that he won't accept a Rafah attack but that's also hard to know if he's just trying to save his reelection or if he means it.

Netanyahu is facing mass protests, a government near breakup, a major issue with conscription of the orthodox and the world having turned against him. He's still stuck knowing that as soon as he stops his career is done and he's just a corrupt war criminal.

But you don't seem interested in discussing any of that, you are more interested in trying to pick apart defence of Palestinian rights.

 

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But you don't seem interested in discussing any of that, you are more interested in trying to pick apart defence of Palestinian rights.
When have I ever said anything about Palestinian rights?
 

Frankfooter

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When have I ever said anything about Palestinian rights?
Exactly, I argue for equal rights and the rule of law and you want to discuss Hamas.
That is the point.

You are using the same debating tactic as shack and basketcase.
I'll post a UN report and they'll reply 'but Hamas....'

This was on my feed today, thought you'd appreciate it.

 

basketcase

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...yep...GENOCIDE....
350,000 died in the recent Yemen war. No one screamed genocide. 30,000 dies this year and millions on the brink of starvation in Sudan and no one is screaming genocide (even though the Janjaweed are again actively engaged in it). Ongoing war in the Sahel with no one screaming genocide.

Sadly you guys have a completely different standard when it comes to Israel.
 

basketcase

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Do you think Germans in WWII told themselves there were no death camps?
Do you think there were outside reports that they ignored?

Or do you think they tried to play willfully ignorant?
And now you are accusing Israel of sending Palestinians on trains to Death Camps, gassing, then cremating them?

Pathetic example of hatred.
 

basketcase

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You have to have a ceasefire first before hostages on both sides can be returned.
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Another weak-assed excuse. Why do you keep making things up that the UNSC didn't say?

Hamas has repeatedly rejected ceasefire deals negotiated by Egypt, Qatar, and the US. You'll make the excuse that the ceasefires weren't permanent, ignoring that a permanent ceasefire is called a peace dal, something you and Hamas openly reject.
 

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In a negotiation, yes.
This wasn't a negotiation it was an third party, the UNSC, demanding a ceasefire.
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And Hamas has rejected but the negotiated deal and the UNSC. It's sad you think Arabs are too far beneath you to be held accountable for their choices.
 

basketcase

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Wrong.... Netanyahoo is doing this all on his own. The 1200 Hamas killed does not warrant the 32000 or the million starving. Does that sound like an appropriate response to you? It is literally gross overkill. What would you say if a large hostile power did this to Israel? You too would be screaming GENOCIDE at the top of your lungs.
You bring up a good point. Plenty of Israelis are demanding an election so they can get rid of Netanyahu because of his actions. How much pressure are Palestinians putting on Hamas to change?
 

basketcase

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I'll post a UN report ....
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While arguing that UN reports condemning Hamas are wrong.

I know you love your anti-semite woman working for the Dictators council but that doesn't make her goals any less fucked up.
 

Frankfooter

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350,000 died in the recent Yemen war. No one screamed genocide. 30,000 dies this year and millions on the brink of starvation in Sudan and no one is screaming genocide (even though the Janjaweed are again actively engaged in it). Ongoing war in the Sahel with no one screaming genocide.

Sadly you guys have a completely different standard when it comes to Israel.
That's a war, not a genocide against a giant concentration camp.
Yemen didn't slaughter 20,000 women and children, did they?

You know you're doing well when the countries left you can compare with are Yemen, Iran or North Korea.

 

Frankfooter

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Disgustingly Frank thinks Palestinians have the right to kill Israelis.
That's more of your apartheid beliefs, where you argue that only Israelis have the right to self defence, not Palestinians living under an illegal occupation.
Neither side should ever target civilians, like trying to starve them to death, of course.

Its an illegal occupation, Palestinians have the right to self defence agains the Israeli military.
Israel, as the occupying power, doesn't have the right to self defence, they are allowed to maintain order but also are duty bound to feed them.
Not starve them to death.

Yet another war crime you back, like apartheid, the occupation and genocide.
 

Frankfooter

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While arguing that UN reports condemning Hamas are wrong.

I know you love your anti-semite woman working for the Dictators council but that doesn't make her goals any less fucked up.
I fully support investigations based off all UN reports.
Its you that shits bricks when we discuss the UN reports saying the occupation is illegal, Israel is apartheid and Israel is committing genocide.
Just like you do when we say Israel refuses to abide by the UNSC ceasefire resolution.
 

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Israel rocked by largest protests since war began as Netanyahu faces growing pressure

Thousands of people took to the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem over the weekend in the largest protests Israel has seen since the start of the war against Hamas, a significant challenge to the increasingly embattled leadership of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Demonstrators are angry at Netanyahu and his government for not having secured the release of all the hostages taken captive during the October 7 terror attack. While 105 people were released during a temporary truce last year, another 130 that were kidnapped are either dead or still being held by Hamas and other militant groups.

Banners at the protests called on the Prime Minister to resign and for Israel to hold new elections.

“You’ve failed,” one poster read. “Impeachment now,” read another.

Netanyahu has said that the goals of the current war against Hamas are to bring back the hostages, destroy Hamas and remake Gaza so that no militant group can ever carry out the type of attack that Israel suffered last year, in which about 1,200 people were killed. But the families of the hostages and demonstrators that came out over the weekend believe the Israeli government should be more focused on hostage retrieval than any military or security objectives.

Aviva Siegel, one of 17 hostages released by Hamas on the third night of the temporary truce in November, called on Israeli authorities to “take responsibility” and put more effort into releasing her husband, who remains in Gaza, and other hostages held by Hamas and other militant groups in the strip.

“We are dying inside here,” Siegel, 62, said at a Saturday rally in Tel Aviv.

Speaking to crowds in Jerusalem on Sunday, former Israeli prime minister and current opposition leader Yair Lapid said the government was ignoring the existence of the families of hostages.

“They stood outside the Kirya (the Israel Defense Forces headquarters in Tel Aviv), screamed their souls out, and nobody heard. They waved signs and no one saw,” Lapid said.

Sunday’s demonstration outside the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, in Jerusalem was dispersed by force, but protesters appear to be readying themselves for more protests. Dozens of people were camped at tents outside the Knesset on Monday, and some vowed to stay there until Wednesday, when lawmakers head home for spring recess.

The protests appear have brought back to the fore deep societal divisions in Israel papered over by the initial reaction to the events of October 7. The months before the attack saw hundreds of thousands of Israelis participate in repeated demonstrations against reforms proposed by Netanyahu’s government that critics said weakened the country’s judiciary and eroded its systems of checks and balances.

Israelis of all political stripes, however, united in horror when details emerged of a terror attack in which young people attending a music festival and families living on kibbutzim were slaughtered or dragged to Gaza against their will.

Reservists from diverse backgrounds reported for duty as the military embarked on an unprecedented mobilization of 300,000 troops ahead of the incursion into Gaza, while Netanyahu’s government, the most right-wing in Israel’s history, put aside its disagreements with opposition politicians such as Benny Gantz to form a united war cabinet.

After nearly six months of war, however, that unity has worn thin. Netanyahu, who on Sunday underwent a hernia operation, faces pressure both from the left for not doing enough to bring home the hostages and a possible rebellion on his right flank over exemptions from mandatory military service enjoyed by Israel’s ultra-Orthodox community, a longtime flashpoint in Israeli politics. The Israeli Supreme Court last week ordered the government to stop subsidizing Jewish religious seminaries whose students defied service orders.

And then there’s international pressure and outrage over the way Israel has pursued a war that has seen upwards of 32,000 dead, more than a million people displaced and a manmade famine looming over Gaza.

Israel says it is abiding by international law and accused Hamas of treating Gazans like human shields, accusing the group of using facilities such as the Al-Shifa hospital complex to, in the words of the IDF, “conduct and promote terrorist activity.” Hamas has denied those claims.

But the staggering casualty figures and scenes of devastation across Gaza have unsettled even Israel’s most ardent supporters, including the United States. Washington has in recent weeks been attempting to get Israel to call off a ground incursion into Rafah, a city on Gaza’s border with Egypt where more than 1.3 million people — more than half of the enclave’s population — are seeking refuge from the fighting.

The US and Israel are set to hold a virtual meeting on Rafah today, a US official told CNN. The two sides working toward holding an in-person meeting at a later date, the official said.

 
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