United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in Manhattan

[Butler1000]

Hate to burst your bubble but OHIP denies coverage. Maybe not as frequently as 32% but it does. Particularly if you're over 80 years old. And as I said before you're just looking at a figure and not what drives that denial rate. You need to separate your emotions from the reality.

They deny based on a doctor diagnosis. Not to enrich shareholders.

Stop being so emotional for profits. And yes, it's OK to care about people first.

 

[Bucktee]

He might get the death penalty

Ominous new sign Luigi Mangione will face the death penalty

Luigi Mangione, the man accused of fatally shooting UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson outside the Hilton hotel in Midtown Manhattan, could face the death penalty, according to a new legal move.

www.dailymail.co.uk

As he should.

Props to him for being a martyr though.

 

[K Douglas]

They deny based on a doctor diagnosis. Not to enrich shareholders.

Stop being so emotional for profits. And yes, it's OK to care about people first.

The profit motive is intrinsically the best mechanism for getting the best product or service delivered. That's what has made capitalism work for hundreds of years. At the end of the day health care is a commodity, just like an automobile. And therein lies the tradeoff - get superior healthcare but at a premium cost or get average to substandard health care with relatively less expense.

I am not being emotional at all, other than I feel for the guys two kids who have lost their dad and have to read awful things said about him. And believe me I am no fan of insurance companies, I've had to fight with mine on a couple of occasions. If its is deemed that United was denying claims to insured based solely on profit then the company should be severely punished. They are violating their contractual obligation to their customer and if that is a serial problem the market will eventually collapse.

 

[Jenesis]

Hate to burst your bubble but OHIP denies coverage. Maybe not as frequently as 32% but it does. Particularly if you're over 80 years old. And as I said before you're just looking at a figure and not what drives that denial rate. You need to separate your emotions from the reality.

What services are covered for people under 80 that are not covered for people over 80?

 

[Butler1000]

The profit motive is intrinsically the best mechanism for getting the best product or service delivered. That's what has made capitalism work for hundreds of years. At the end of the day health care is a commodity, just like an automobile. And therein lies the tradeoff - get superior healthcare but at a premium cost or get average to substandard health care with relatively less expense.

I am not being emotional at all, other than I feel for the guys two kids who have lost their dad and have to read awful things said about him. And believe me I am no fan of insurance companies, I've had to fight with mine on a couple of occasions. If its is deemed that United was denying claims to insured based solely on profit then the company should be severely punished. They are violating their contractual obligation to their customer and if that is a serial problem the market will eventually collapse.

There it is.

Healthcare is not a commodity in Canada. It is more a human right.

So what you are saying is if a child gets leukemia and the parents can't afford to pay for it you think the child should be left to die without treatment.

 

[K Douglas]

What services are covered for people under 80 that are not covered for people over 80?

The healthcare system looks at the person's age as being a factor as to whether they authorize any major procedure, whether it be heart surgery or knee/hip replacement. I had a former client who was 84 and needed a hip replaced. OHIP stalled him for over a year and just kept him drugged up, hoping he would just croak. But he said f that and went to the US and got the hip replaced. He's still alive today in his early 90's.

One of the main issues with delivery of public goods is the free rider problem. This occurs when one derives a benefit without paying or under paying for it. This results in inefficiency and scarcity of resources as a whole. That results in the provider of the public good or service being selective on who gets priority delivery - a 45 year old who has 20 years of working life remaining to pay taxes into the system, or the 85 year old who is getting CPP and OAS but is paying less tax into the system than what he is getting in benefits. It sucks but it is the reality in our current system.

 

[jalimon]

The healthcare system looks at the person's age as being a factor as to whether they authorize any major procedure, whether it be heart surgery or knee/hip replacement. I had a former client who was 84 and needed a hip replaced. OHIP stalled him for over a year and just kept him drugged up, hoping he would just croak. But he said f that and went to the US and got the hip replaced. He's still alive today in his early 90's.

One of the main issues with delivery of public goods is the free rider problem. This occurs when one derives a benefit without paying or under paying for it. This results in inefficiency and scarcity of resources as a whole. That results in the provider of the public good or service being selective on who gets priority delivery - a 45 year old who has 20 years of working life remaining to pay taxes into the system, or the 85 year old who is getting CPP and OAS but is paying less tax into the system than what he is getting in benefits. It sucks but it is the reality in our current system.

Should have come to Quebec. Hip replacements are much cheaper than in the US in the private sector.

 

[Jenesis]

The healthcare system looks at the person's age as being a factor as to whether they authorize any major procedure, whether it be heart surgery or knee/hip replacement. I had a former client who was 84 and needed a hip replaced. OHIP stalled him for over a year and just kept him drugged up, hoping he would just croak. But he said f that and went to the US and got the hip replaced. He's still alive today in his early 90's.

One of the main issues with delivery of public goods is the free rider problem. This occurs when one derives a benefit without paying or under paying for it. This results in inefficiency and scarcity of resources as a whole. That results in the provider of the public good or service being selective on who gets priority delivery - a 45 year old who has 20 years of working life remaining to pay taxes into the system, or the 85 year old who is getting CPP and OAS but is paying less tax into the system than what he is getting in benefits. It sucks but it is the reality in our current system.

I’m sorry but I have a hard time believing that he was denied a hip replacement because he was 85. Like that was the specific reason. I personally need more then “I knew I guy….” As evidence. Do you have any stats? Anything in writing where they say they will deny services?

 

[rouxo boe]

Usually when we kill pigs it doesn't go to the news.