The One Spa

Ukraine updates

Status
Not open for further replies.

Leimonis

Well-known member
Feb 28, 2020
10,344
10,370
113
I thought all the right wingers have given up on rump already and are thinking about DeSantis now instead.
Trump has only looked worse out of office, less sane, more corrupt and more petty.
you don't understand how love works
 

bver_hunter

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2005
30,473
8,510
113
All politicians lie. Biden's "senility" and "dementia", could be a problem for the Dems.
Could be, but Trump has that albatross around his neck, and that is concerning to the Republicans who know that only DeSantis has a chance of winning the next 2024 elections.
However, he has an uphill chance to take out Trump in the GOP Nominations!!
 
  • Like
Reactions: mitchell76

bver_hunter

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2005
30,473
8,510
113
Sorry, I don't really care. All politicians get into scandals. Including Justin Trudeau, as mentioned upthread. IMHO, if Biden runs in 2024, he'll be the president, for a second term. However, if Biden suffers some health issues, and can't run in 2024, then all bets are off. The Dems will have trouble coming up with another suitable candidate. Therefore, Trump might have a chance to be the US president in 2024!!
Trump's chances in the 2024 Elections are slim. No doubt that he has a very loyal base who believe all his lies etc. But I think that DeSantis could take him out, as the more recent polls indicate. However, more recently DeSantis has been trying to appeal to the Trump base with some other very extreme rhetoric. That will not appeal to the swing voters, and may even push some more moderate Republicans away from him!!
 
  • Like
Reactions: mitchell76

bver_hunter

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2005
30,473
8,510
113
Biden trumps Trump as far as Opinion polls outside America are concerned. That is why all of us that live outside the USA do want Biden and / or the Democrats to be re-elected in 2024.:

Biden Is Much More Popular Than Trump Around the World
Trump’s toxic image abroad represents a reputational threat for the broader GOP, which isn’t as loathed by the global community

 
  • Like
Reactions: glamphotographer

squeezer

Well-known member
Jan 8, 2010
25,199
21,040
113
I will admit Butterball Don did get a lot of votes. I believe it was the igniting of the democratic base to oust the turd that won the Dems the election. Then you have his own whining about mail fraud that kept the Repugs from taking advantage of mail in voting.

As for Putin invading Ukraine under Trump, I'm not sure he would have as Trump was slowly taking Nato apart. Butterball Don was Putin's turkey. On several occasions, he had thrown out pulling the US out of Nato. Another term may have completely weakened Nato and then Putin could have easily gone in and taken Ukraine within a couple of weeks.

Biden, sleepy Joe has been Putin's worst nightmare.
 

glamphotographer

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2011
18,253
19,060
113
Canada
Biden trumps Trump as far as Opinion polls outside America are concerned. That is why all of us that live outside the USA do want Biden and / or the Democrats to be re-elected in 2024.:

Biden Is Much More Popular Than Trump Around the World
Trump’s toxic image abroad represents a reputational threat for the broader GOP, which isn’t as loathed by the global community

I wonder how popular Biden would be in Ireland since he's Irish. The chart only shows the UK.
 

Valcazar

Just a bundle of fucking sunshine
Mar 27, 2014
39,061
81,206
113
The Minsk II agreement, which was guaranteed by UK and France and ratified by UN, would have prevented war, if implemented.
There were no guarantees from UK and France in Minsk II. The UK wasn't even involved.

But there is a good example of how Trump could have helped Putin.
He could have put pressure on Ukraine to accept the Russian interpretation of the Minsk II agreements, and help break Ukraine as a sovereign state so that Putin didn't have to use troops to try and do it by force.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Gstep and mandrill

Valcazar

Just a bundle of fucking sunshine
Mar 27, 2014
39,061
81,206
113
Trump would just have stepped back and given the green signal for Putin to take over the Donbas region and to annex Donbas.
All Trump would have done is to then put some nothing burger sanctions against Russia, but still cozied to Putin.
Remember that this war was timed to be in 2022, due to two critical factors. One Russia was hosting the FIFA World Cup for Football in 2018, and secondly his ally China was hosting the Winter Olympics in early 2022. Once those games were over, was when Russia invaded Ukraine. That is why Putin wanted Trump back in power after the 2020 Elections!!
I'm not convinced about the timing.
He did wait for China to be done with the olympics, but he started the major build up in 2021, because it takes a long time to do that.
I don't know if he bothers starting that build up that early if he has Trump pushing from the West to help pressure Ukraine.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mandrill

danmand

Well-known member
Nov 28, 2003
46,972
5,600
113
There were no guarantees from UK and France in Minsk II. The UK wasn't even involved.

But there is a good example of how Trump could have helped Putin.
He could have put pressure on Ukraine to accept the Russian interpretation of the Minsk II agreements, and help break Ukraine as a sovereign state so that Putin didn't have to use troops to try and do it by force.
Sorry, Germany instead of UK

In February 2015, the Minsk II Accords were signed by leaders of Ukraine, Russia, France, Germany, and Ukrainian separatists. The goal of this document was to end armed fighting and resolve the conflict between the Ukrainian government and the secessionist oblasts of Donetsk and Luhansk. Minsk II constituted a series of thirteen steps, including a cease-fire, amnesty, local elections, and finally restoration of Ukrainian federal control but accompanied by constitutional reform.

UN Resolution:
17 FEBRUARY 2015S/RES/2202This was a resolution that endorsed the "Package of measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements" signed on 12 February 2015.
 

Leimonis

Well-known member
Feb 28, 2020
10,344
10,370
113
1677108221818.png
 

Leimonis

Well-known member
Feb 28, 2020
10,344
10,370
113
To be fair, the air raid sirens were just for Hollywood effect.
still sleepy Joe was and is head and shoulders above bone spur coward
 
  • Like
Reactions: SchlongConery

danmand

Well-known member
Nov 28, 2003
46,972
5,600
113
  • Like
Reactions: mitchell76

SchlongConery

License to Shill
Jan 28, 2013
14,976
9,601
113
To be fair, the air raid sirens were just for Hollywood effect.
Thanks for the clarification!

I was beginning to suspect the image of the late Chris Farley and the orange cartoon sketch was not an actual photograph! And now that you are fact-checking the (purported) dialogue, it makes me not even take the whole photo and caption seriously.

Again, thanks for being the lone voice of pragmatism and reality 🙏
 

bver_hunter

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2005
30,473
8,510
113
I'm not convinced about the timing.
He did wait for China to be done with the olympics, but he started the major build up in 2021, because it takes a long time to do that.
I don't know if he bothers starting that build up that early if he has Trump pushing from the West to help pressure Ukraine.
Yes, it was planned well in advance. However, the 2018 FIFA World Cup was a big deal to the Russians, and they would have been pissed off if Putin went ahead prior to it. The World Cup would have been cancelled and Russia boycotted. It was always Putin's priority to annex Donbas as well as installing a Puppet Head of State. 2022 was always on the cards, and that is why in 2021 the whole planning commenced and the actual invasion was delayed until the Winter Games in China ended!!
 

poker

Everyone's hero's, tell everyone's lies.
Jun 1, 2006
7,709
6,027
113
Niagara
Yes, but look at all the lies Biden has told, as well. As I said upthread, if Trump was still the president, there wouldn't have been a Putin invasion of Ukraine, in the first place!!

Yes there would. And it had to happen in 2022, because Russia is aging. They would not have enough 20 year olds in a few years. They are about to go through a demographic collapse… so it all had to be now.

Russia has been invaded like 50 times in its history. Every invasion has come through 9 corridors. The wars since Putin has taken over, Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, etc… those have been attempts at plugging those corridors up militarily.

The goal is not Ukraine. It’s Poland… and the Scandinavian countries.

He was never stopping at Ukraine, so yes, he would have still run troops through until the master plan is finished.

Yes Poland is NATO. Would we give up Poland under threat of Nuclear War? Trump very likely yes. He was weakening NATO.

Biden is pulling out all the stops so it does not get to a NATO country. Russia will likely win… but the body count will be tremendous, and military resource lost will weaken Russia greatly. Putin miscalculated.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Gstep
Status
Not open for further replies.
Toronto Escorts