Two Biological Males Allowed to Fight in Female Div. At Paris Olympics

[The Oracle]

FWIW…Neither of these athletes identifies as intersex.

Doesn't matter what they identify as....When it comes to athletic competition their chromosomes indicate intersex. The IBA made the right on this one.

As far as the risk, though, I respectfully disagree. Some athletes are always gonna have a genetic advantage over others. Why is this different?

I have this sneaking suspicion based on what I see that this person has a testosterone level that would only be present in males. Undescended testes producing testosterone since puberty do not make for a fair playing surface.

Back in the day, if you stepped into the ring with Mike Tyson there was a high probability that you are gonna get knocked the fuck out. For whatever reason, he was just able to punch harder than anyone else. Is that fair? Yes…I believe it is. If Tyson was taking steroids then it would not be fair…but being born with an innate advantage over your opponent is frequently what gets athletes into the Hall of Fame.

Love Mike's present day Lazarus impression but Buster Douglas put an end to that myth a long time ago in Tokyo. Every era in the heavyweight division had it's brutes. There was Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Liston, Marciano, Joe Lewis. None of which I'm to have the audacity to state had a distinct hormonal advantage over thier peers. Hormones drive the genetic engine athletic greatness.

 

[The Oracle]

''A normal testosterone level for you will depend on your gender and age. Normal total testosterone results in adult men: Ages 19 to 49 -- 249 - 836 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL) Ages 50 and older -- 193 - 740 ng/dL.''

''Normal total testosterone results in adult women: Ages 19 to 49 -- 8 - 48 ng/dL. Ages 50 and older -- 2 - 41 ng/dL''


There's quite a possible difference here folks....Release the hounds...Errr the numbers. Let's see what we're looking at.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Doesn't matter what they identify as....When it comes to athletic competition their chromosomes indicate intersex. The IBA made the right on this one.

Well…if the purpose of the exercise is to determine what is fair then I think the best approach is to be guided by scientific study of gender and what it means to be “male” vs “female.” At this point, it seems to me that the IOC’s position is the most consistent with our current best-understanding of how to address this issue. As in all things, the science will evolve and change over time and as it does our understanding of what is fair will (hopefully) evolve as well.

I have this sneaking suspicion based on what I see that this person has a testosterone level that would only be present in males. Undescended testes producing testosterone since puberty do not make for a fair playing surface.

They checked the boxer’s testosterone and it is within IOC limits. It Says so in the article you posted earlier.

Love Mike's present day Lazarus impression but Buster Douglas put an end to that myth a long time ago in Tokyo. Every era in the heavyweight division had it's brutes. There was Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Liston, Marciano, Joe Lewis. None of which I'm to have the audacity to state had a distinct hormonal advantage over thier peers. Hormones drive the genetic engine athletic greatness.

Like most people, I hope that Mike slaps the shit out of Jake Paul and humiliates him at what will undoubtedly be a huge pay per view audience.

 

[DesRicardo]

Khelif was born with a vagina, identifies as female, and has lived as a female her entire life.

Oh, so now having a vagina makes you a woman? But a week ago it didn't matter.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Oh, so now having a vagina makes you a woman? But a week ago it didn't matter.

Khelif was born with a vagina, identifies as female, and has lived as a female her entire life.

She also meets all of the IOC’s eligibility criteria including having hormone levels within the IOC’s allowable range.

There are other athletes with this medical situation whose natural hormone levels are outside the IOC’s allowable range and they are not allowed to compete unless they take hormone-suppressing medication. This is the very thing that Caster Semenya is suing the IAAF over at the European Court of Human Rights.

Anyway, as I recall you guys were all about the vagina so not sure why you’re mad.

 

[Ghbff]

Look up Margaret Macgregor.
That should shut your mouth up and stop you from continuing to look stupid.

On second thought, let me help you...

https://boxingnewsonline.net/margaret-mcgregor-and-the-forgotten-battle-of-the-sexes/

So much for your worthless (and clueless) guarantee Mr. tough guy.

I guess reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit because I said a trained boxer. Does Chow really sound like a trained boxer to you?

“Chow, a 5ft 2ins former jockey, entered “The Battle of the Sexes” with a winless two-fight pro record, no known amateur background, a 5ins height disadvantage and, at 123lbs, conceded five pounds in weight.

Looking back, McGregor says: “He was physically stronger than the average woman boxer… but I was not the average woman boxer. It seemed Chow did not have a lot of ring experience. It went really well. I felt on top of the world.”

 

[Ghbff]

So much for your worthless (and clueless) guarantee Mr. tough guy.

Tell me you’ve never stepped into a gym or ring in your life without telling me you’ve never stepped into a gym/ring

 

[Ghbff]

You didn't even read the article you provided ... Let me share a quote from it:

' Chow, a 5ft 2ins former jockey, entered “The Battle of the Sexes” with a winless two-fight pro record, no known amateur background, a 5ins height disadvantage and, at 123lbs, conceded five pounds in weight. '.

I wonder what you were thinking?

Reading comprehension isn’t their strong suit LOL. I guarantee that buddy’s never trained a day in his life and he’s coming on here acting like an expert on combat sports.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

FWIW…I find it interesting that back when women first participated in the modern Olympics in 1900 no one would have questioned Imane Khelif’s participating as a woman. She had a vagina, lived as a woman, etc. It was not until science developed the ability to identify chromosomes, measure testosterone, etc. that we could even have this conversation.

Back in 1900, people would have no doubt seen Khelif as having “manly” traits and would have probably assumed she was a lesbian but no one would have questioned her gender.

So…at this point, we have whatever it is that represents our best, evidence-based understanding of how to most fairly manage this issue and it will continue to evolve over time.

As to the people who are still angry because they wanted an excuse to bash the trans community and this isn’t it…#sorrynotsorry

 

[jsanchez]

Not sure if fake or photoshopped

 

[jalimon]

Boban Marjanović plays basketball for the Houston Rockets. He is 7’ 4” tall- he has been diagnosed with Gigantism- a disorder of the pituitary gland that causes him to be unusually tall. Should he be banned from the NBA?

Boban Marjanović - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Andre the Giant was also diagnosed with Gigantism. Should he have been banned from wrestling?

André the Giant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Andre could drink 24 beers. For the apero hour.

 

[Frankfooter]

Is this still going on?

Here's the thing.
If you are a right winger declaring there are only two biological sexes that means the Algerian boxer, who lost to an Irish boxer in the 2020 olympics, has to be female. If you believe there are only two sexes then she is female.

 

[DesRicardo]

Khelif was born with a vagina, identifies as female, and has lived as a female her entire life.

She also meets all of the IOC’s eligibility criteria including having hormone levels within the IOC’s allowable range.

There are other athletes with this medical situation whose natural hormone levels are outside the IOC’s allowable range and they are not allowed to compete unless they take hormone-suppressing medication. This is the very thing that Caster Semenya is suing the IAAF over at the European Court of Human Rights.

Anyway, as I recall you guys were all about the vagina so not sure why you’re mad.

And we'll remember this.

 

[Josephine]

Plot twist!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1819076500425203936

 

[DesRicardo]

Plot twist!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1819076500425203936

Not much of a twist. They got beat by unanimous decision in the first match.

 

[DesRicardo]

Even the Transgender Olympic boxer agrees Khelif should be banned.

Transgender Olympics boxer hits out at 'unfair' scrutiny in Khelif gender row

The only transgender boxer at the 2024 Olympics has set the record straight regarding two boxers who have competed in the female category in Paris.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Josephine]

Not much of a twist. They got beat by unanimous decision in the first match.

So the other side is ok? Be consistent hun. If your argument was that men cannot fight with women, why are biological male boxer okay to fight with them (not sure what is pronoun is)

 

[gollumtroll]

Reading comprehension isn’t their strong suit LOL. I guarantee that buddy’s never trained a day in his life and he’s coming on here acting like an expert on combat sports.

There is a very strong probability that you are correct. Outside of this internet forum I have spoken to people directly on this topic and were given similar answers that make no sense.... And guess what? These people have never stepped into a combat sports gym or sparred before.

I have trained with women before working on technique and vice-versa. But once you go into sparring mode, as a male I can feel the difference in physical strength. So you have to adjust to your opponent so you don't injure them. All that goes out the window once it is a ranked fight, the expectation for a rank fight is that you are both the same sex category (not gender).

 

[DesRicardo]

So the other side is ok? Be consistent hun. If your argument was that men cannot fight with women, why are biological male boxer okay to fight with them (not sure what is pronoun is)

oh no, it's crazy all around.

It's a circus.

 

[Skoob]

You didn't even read the article you provided ... Let me share a quote from it:

' Chow, a 5ft 2ins former jockey, entered “The Battle of the Sexes” with a winless two-fight pro record, no known amateur background, a 5ins height disadvantage and, at 123lbs, conceded five pounds in weight. '.

I wonder what you were thinking?

Let's recap...
- he was a male boxer fighting a female boxer
- he was considered pro having had at least 2 prior pro fights
- she won
- you claimed a woman couldn't beat a man in the ring
- she did


More examples...https://www.wbanmember.com/early-reports-of-mixed-boxing-in-1916/