Two Biological Males Allowed to Fight in Female Div. At Paris Olympics

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I think there is a moral difference between someone raised as a male through puberty changing their identification to female and fighting natal females vs a person identified as female based on birth appearance, raised female and only finding out about their chromosomes when entering a competition as an adult. As a practical matter, neither should be competing in women’s sports.
 

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Olympic gold medalist Caitlyn Jenner slams Paris Olympics, branding it ‘Shameful’ for allowing a biological male to fight a female boxer. “Men don’t belong in women’s sports, period.” Jenner, who won a gold medal for decathlon at the 1976 Montreal Olympics, slammed the IOC for allowing Imane Khelif, who is biologically male, to fight against Angela Carini. “I’ve been saying this for years; Men don’t belong in women’s sports, period. Watching what the IOC allowed to happen (the women beat the hell out of by men) in boxing is SHAMEFUL! Shame on the IOC for letting men compete in women’s boxing events!”
 

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I wonder how many of the people slamming the IOC over this were praising the IOC in previous threads about trans-athletes.
 

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But she’s not a man. Do you really think a trained boxer who’s a woman could beat another trained boxer who’s a man? I guarantee you that a trained boxer who’s a male would NEVER lose to a trained boxer who’s a woman. Whether it be by points or knock out. Add in the fact that they’re the same weight classes too and that will never happen. You clearly know nothing about combat sports and in that case you need to sit down and shut up.
Fallon fox lost to Ashlee Evans-Smith in MMA.
 

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Because if she fought against men she’d get knocked the fuck out lol. But the fact is she’s not a man she’s a woman and that’s why she’s competing in the women’s division
Hormonally this person probably tests out similar to most men.
 
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Hormonally this person probably tests out similar to most men.
This is from the article you posted back on Page 3 of this thread:

“It should be noted that Imane Khelif is not a transgender athlete as has been falsely circulated in recent hours, but is ‘intersex’, i.e. a person who has variations in sex characteristics present from birth. This is hyperandrogenism, which in a woman indicates an excessive production of male hormones, particularly testosterone, by the endocrine glands, adrenals and ovaries. Khelif has always competed in women’s tournaments. A year ago, she had been excluded from the World Boxing Championships for failing sex-verification tests: the presence of XY chromosomes, hence male. Khelif, however, was admitted to the Paris 2024 Games, as was the case three years ago in Tokyo, because her hormone levels met the parameters set by the IOC.”



It doesn’t say what the actual number is but her hormone levels are within IOC regulations.
 

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Not really a flex. I still remember when Jake lost to Tommy fucking Fury 😂
Losing to Tommy Fury after only a handful of fights is no disgrace.

Paul for all his boasts and showman ship has been good for boxing.

He's drawing eyes and attracting an audience that they wouldn't otherwise have.

He's made Amanda Serrano a multi millionaire and everyone on his undercards was paid well and received notoriety.

He makes Dana White squirm to which is always amusing, lol.

Listen Paul is hand picking opponents which he knows he can best but that's just smart on his part.

Teddy Atlas said Paul respects the sport and is putting in the work. Paul's never going to a world champion like he says but his gimmick is entertaining and I have to admit he has skills and a solid power right hand
 

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Fact check: Did Imane Khelif fail gender eligibility test? A look at the Algerian boxer's path to Paris Olympics
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Imane Khelif has vowed to capture Olympic gold in Paris [Image courtesy: @imane_khelif_10 on Instagram]

Imane Khelif has vowed to capture Olympic gold in Paris [Image courtesy: @imane_khelif_10 on Instagram]


Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and the IOC (International Olympic Committee) have faced considerable criticism from certain quarters of the socio-political realm. Khelif and Taiwan's Lin Yu-ting have been permitted to box in the women's division at the 2024 Paris Olympics after a previous suspension.

Leading up to Khelif's 66-kilogram bout against Italy's Angela Carini at the Olympics, Khelif boasted an amateur boxing record of 36-9 and a pro record of 1-0. Some argued that Khelif shouldn't be permitted to compete in the women's division at the Olympics.

Carini sustained a few punches and then refused to continue around the 46-second mark of their fight, with Khelif thereby winning and advancing in the tournament.

Did Imane Khelif fail gender eligibility test?
A recent report by Reuters alluded to the discussions surrounding Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting's participation in the 2024 Paris Olympics. The IBA (International Boxing Association) barred Khelif from competing in its women's world boxing championships that took place in New Delhi, India, in March 2023.

The ban came mere hours before she was to compete in a gold medal bout against China's Yang Liu. Additionally, Lin Yu-ting was stripped of her bronze medal. The actions against Khelif and Lin were because of claims they'd failed the IBA's eligibility criteria.

It was reported that Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting failed the IBA's gender eligibility test, which doesn't allow athletes with XY chromosomes to compete in the women's division. Khelif deemed the disqualification as a plot to prevent an Algerian boxer from winning. As for the IOC, it stated that Khelif was barred due to elevated testosterone levels.

In June 2023, the IOC stripped the IBA of its right to govern international amateur boxing owing to the IBA's alleged failure to reform certain financial, ethical, and governance-related issues.

Accordingly, the IOC took over the reins of regulating amateur boxing, governed the sport during last year's Tokyo Olympics, and is overseeing the sport during the Paris Olympics.

Since the IOC's rules permit the inclusion of athletes with gender diversity and DSDs (Differences of Sexual Development), it has allowed Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting to compete at the Paris Olympics.

The term DSD implies a set of rare conditions related to an individual's reproductive organs, genes, and hormones. Certain people with DSDs are raised as females. Nevertheless, they have male-like blood testosterone levels, the ability to utilize the testosterone in their bodies, and XY chromosomes that are usually found in a person who's a cisgender male (i.e., assigned male at birth).

On the contrary, a person who's a cisgender female (i.e., assigned female at birth) has significantly lower testosterone levels and has XX chromosomes. As opposed to cisgender females, cisgender males go through male puberty and generally possess an advantage in regard to skeletal structure, muscle mass, and faster twitch muscle.

These differences give the average male a notable advantage against an average female in athletic performance, especially in a boxing match or other combat sports contests.

As reported by NBC, Khelif and Lin haven't publicly identified as transgender or intersex.


A few athletes like Imane Khelif and Zambia's Barbra Banda, a prominent women's football player, reportedly deal with DSD. Incidentally, Banda also competed at the Paris Olympics and recently delivered a historic performanceagainst Australia.

Current and former female boxing champions such as Claressa Shields and Ebanie Bridges have lambasted the IOC for its ruling. Meanwhile, the COA, which is the Algerian Olympic Committee, has lent its support to Imane Khelif and condemned the reports against her as "baseless propaganda."




Khelif was born with a vagina, identifies as female, and has lived as a female her entire life.

She also happens to have a medical condition that naturally boosts her testosterone levels and gives her an XY chromosome. There is nothing nefarious about her being allowed to compete- she has a naturally occurring medical condition that gives her an athletic advantage against other women.
 
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