Two Biological Males Allowed to Fight in Female Div. At Paris Olympics

[maurice93]

If this person has the free testosterone of a male then that would make them a male.

Instead of going by the sex identified on their passport the IOC should be performing some blood tests.

I do agree that this case is individually quite nuanced though.

The fact that it involves a combat sport is concerning.

Its not simply a case of the IOC letting anybody in based on how they identify.

Lia Thomas, the transgender Penn St swimmer who broke all kinds of NCAA records, was disallowed from participating in the Olympics. That was a decision by Aquatic Sport (world swimming federation) and upheld by the IOC.

This one is a bit more complex.
Not sure if the IOC leaves it up to sports federations to decide.

 

[Frankfooter]

Maybe they were better boxers?
That really has nothing to do with allowing a man to fight a woman just because in the past they lost to women.

Also, it doesn't mean that he was knocked out by these women. Points are given to boxers per round usually. They are also penalized points.

But the point here is that a man is fighting a woman in these Olympics and that's not only unfair, it's what happens when wokeness runs amok.

She's not a man.
Declaring her a man puts her in danger in Algeria, where there is serious anti trans hate.

 

[gollumtroll]

It is so strange the IOC choose boxing to fuck around with. But then it finally hit me why. With boxing (and all other combat sports) there are no world records.... With sports that keep track of world records such as track events and swimming, the IOC won't be able to hide this. However the IOC decision to allow this to happen with combat sports is very flawed because with combat sports there is a higher risk for brain damage, physical injuries, or death.

 

[Josephine]

She's not a man.
Declaring her a man puts her in danger in Algeria, where there is serious anti trans hate.

I am making research as we speak. It seems that she was born a female. Assigned female sex at birth. She is also not trans nor never claim to be. She was cleared to participate at the last Olympics but didn't won anything.



Case closed

 

[jsanchez]

I just finished watching the Khelif vs Carini fight.

• Khelif is really arrogant.
• Khelif looked physically stronger. And definitely was way faster.
• I have to question Carini's heart for quitting so soon. But I have to respect her decision if she felt a safety issue for her well being.

I won't question her heart or decision. I only question her decision to step into the ring, she should have refused to.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/summer/boxing/olympic-womens-boxing-1.7282040

 

[gollumtroll]

I am making research as we speak. It seems that she was born a female. Assigned female sex at birth. She is also not trans nor never claim to be. She was cleared to participate at the last Olympics but didn't won anything.

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Case closed

I am going to assume her blood testosterone levels are male. And technically she is probably both male and female (e.g. Caster Semenya) If that is the case, why did she choose to fight in the female division as oppose to the male division??

 

[Ghbff]

Maybe they were better boxers?
That really has nothing to do with allowing a man to fight a woman just because in the past they lost to women.

Also, it doesn't mean that he was knocked out by these women. Points are given to boxers per round usually. They are also penalized points.

But the point here is that a man is fighting a woman in these Olympics and that's not only unfair, it's what happens when wokeness runs amok.

But she’s not a man. Do you really think a trained boxer who’s a woman could beat another trained boxer who’s a man? I guarantee you that a trained boxer who’s a male would NEVER lose to a trained boxer who’s a woman. Whether it be by points or knock out. Add in the fact that they’re the same weight classes too and that will never happen. You clearly know nothing about combat sports and in that case you need to sit down and shut up.

 

[Ghbff]

I am going to assume her blood testosterone levels are male. And technically she is probably both male and female (e.g. Caster Semenya) If that is the case, why did she choose to fight in the female division as oppose to the male division??

Because if she fought against men she’d get knocked the fuck out lol. But the fact is she’s not a man she’s a woman and that’s why she’s competing in the women’s division

 

[jalimon]

That ‘female boxer’ had a full beard on just 3 weeks ago.

A female boxer will die before people realize its a complete non sense.

 

[Vinson]

They're full of anger, one ugly Mofo

 

[basketcase]

I wonder how many of the people slamming the IOC over this were praising the IOC in previous threads about trans-athletes.

 

[The Oracle]

But she’s not a man. Do you really think a trained boxer who’s a woman could beat another trained boxer who’s a man? I guarantee you that a trained boxer who’s a male would NEVER lose to a trained boxer who’s a woman. Whether it be by points or knock out. Add in the fact that they’re the same weight classes too and that will never happen. You clearly know nothing about combat sports and in that case you need to sit down and shut up.

Fallon fox lost to Ashlee Evans-Smith in MMA.

 

[The Oracle]

That ‘female boxer’ had a full beard on just 3 weeks ago.

Is this the truth?..Or are you just having fun?

I can't find a single picture to back this up.

 

[The Oracle]

I wonder how many of the people slamming the IOC over this were praising the IOC in previous threads about trans-athletes.

Your point is what?

 

[The Oracle]

Because if she fought against men she’d get knocked the fuck out lol. But the fact is she’s not a man she’s a woman and that’s why she’s competing in the women’s division

Hormonally this person probably tests out similar to most men.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Hormonally this person probably tests out similar to most men.

This is from the article you posted back on Page 3 of this thread:

“It should be noted that Imane Khelif is not a transgender athlete as has been falsely circulated in recent hours, but is ‘intersex’, i.e. a person who has variations in sex characteristics present from birth. This is hyperandrogenism, which in a woman indicates an excessive production of male hormones, particularly testosterone, by the endocrine glands, adrenals and ovaries. Khelif has always competed in women’s tournaments. A year ago, she had been excluded from the World Boxing Championships for failing sex-verification tests: the presence of XY chromosomes, hence male. Khelif, however, was admitted to the Paris 2024 Games, as was the case three years ago in Tokyo, because her hormone levels met the parameters set by the IOC.”

Paris 2024 Olympics, Imane Khelif against Angela Carini, controversy erupts over the Algerian boxer's sex

On what authority can the International Olympic Committee overturn the decisions taken by the world governing bodies of a sporting discipline?

decripto.org

It doesn’t say what the actual number is but her hormone levels are within IOC regulations.

 

[The Oracle]

Not really a flex. I still remember when Jake lost to Tommy fucking Fury

Losing to Tommy Fury after only a handful of fights is no disgrace.

Paul for all his boasts and showman ship has been good for boxing.

He's drawing eyes and attracting an audience that they wouldn't otherwise have.

He's made Amanda Serrano a multi millionaire and everyone on his undercards was paid well and received notoriety.

He makes Dana White squirm to which is always amusing, lol.

Listen Paul is hand picking opponents which he knows he can best but that's just smart on his part.

Teddy Atlas said Paul respects the sport and is putting in the work. Paul's never going to a world champion like he says but his gimmick is entertaining and I have to admit he has skills and a solid power right hand

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Fact check: Did Imane Khelif fail gender eligibility test? A look at the Algerian boxer's path to Paris Olympics
Johny Payne

Imane Khelif has vowed to capture Olympic gold in Paris [Image courtesy: @imane_khelif_10 on Instagram]


Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and the IOC (International Olympic Committee) have faced considerable criticism from certain quarters of the socio-political realm. Khelif and Taiwan's Lin Yu-ting have been permitted to box in the women's division at the 2024 Paris Olympics after a previous suspension.

Leading up to Khelif's 66-kilogram bout against Italy's Angela Carini at the Olympics, Khelif boasted an amateur boxing record of 36-9 and a pro record of 1-0. Some argued that Khelif shouldn't be permitted to compete in the women's division at the Olympics.

Carini sustained a few punches and then refused to continue around the 46-second mark of their fight, with Khelif thereby winning and advancing in the tournament.

Did Imane Khelif fail gender eligibility test?
A recent report by Reuters alluded to the discussions surrounding Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting's participation in the 2024 Paris Olympics. The IBA (International Boxing Association) barred Khelif from competing in its women's world boxing championships that took place in New Delhi, India, in March 2023.

The ban came mere hours before she was to compete in a gold medal bout against China's Yang Liu. Additionally, Lin Yu-ting was stripped of her bronze medal. The actions against Khelif and Lin were because of claims they'd failed the IBA's eligibility criteria.

It was reported that Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting failed the IBA's gender eligibility test, which doesn't allow athletes with XY chromosomes to compete in the women's division. Khelif deemed the disqualification as a plot to prevent an Algerian boxer from winning. As for the IOC, it stated that Khelif was barred due to elevated testosterone levels.

In June 2023, the IOC stripped the IBA of its right to govern international amateur boxing owing to the IBA's alleged failure to reform certain financial, ethical, and governance-related issues.

Accordingly, the IOC took over the reins of regulating amateur boxing, governed the sport during last year's Tokyo Olympics, and is overseeing the sport during the Paris Olympics.

Since the IOC's rules permit the inclusion of athletes with gender diversity and DSDs (Differences of Sexual Development), it has allowed Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting to compete at the Paris Olympics.

The term DSD implies a set of rare conditions related to an individual's reproductive organs, genes, and hormones. Certain people with DSDs are raised as females. Nevertheless, they have male-like blood testosterone levels, the ability to utilize the testosterone in their bodies, and XY chromosomes that are usually found in a person who's a cisgender male (i.e., assigned male at birth).

On the contrary, a person who's a cisgender female (i.e., assigned female at birth) has significantly lower testosterone levels and has XX chromosomes. As opposed to cisgender females, cisgender males go through male puberty and generally possess an advantage in regard to skeletal structure, muscle mass, and faster twitch muscle.

These differences give the average male a notable advantage against an average female in athletic performance, especially in a boxing match or other combat sports contests.

As reported by NBC, Khelif and Lin haven't publicly identified as transgender or intersex.

A few athletes like Imane Khelif and Zambia's Barbra Banda, a prominent women's football player, reportedly deal with DSD. Incidentally, Banda also competed at the Paris Olympics and recently delivered a historic performanceagainst Australia.

Current and former female boxing champions such as Claressa Shields and Ebanie Bridges have lambasted the IOC for its ruling. Meanwhile, the COA, which is the Algerian Olympic Committee, has lent its support to Imane Khelif and condemned the reports against her as "baseless propaganda."

Did Imane Khelif fail gender eligibility test? A look at the Algerian boxer's path to Paris Olympics

Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) have faced considerable criticism from certain quarters of the socio-political realm.

www.sportskeeda.com

Khelif was born with a vagina, identifies as female, and has lived as a female her entire life.

She also happens to have a medical condition that naturally boosts her testosterone levels and gives her an XY chromosome. There is nothing nefarious about her being allowed to compete- she has a naturally occurring medical condition that gives her an athletic advantage against other women.

 

[The Oracle]

This is from the article you posted back on Page 3 of this thread:

“It should be noted that Imane Khelif is not a transgender athlete as has been falsely circulated in recent hours, but is ‘intersex’, i.e. a person who has variations in sex characteristics present from birth. This is hyperandrogenism, which in a woman indicates an excessive production of male hormones, particularly testosterone, by the endocrine glands, adrenals and ovaries. Khelif has always competed in women’s tournaments. A year ago, she had been excluded from the World Boxing Championships for failing sex-verification tests: the presence of XY chromosomes, hence male. Khelif, however, was admitted to the Paris 2024 Games, as was the case three years ago in Tokyo, because her hormone levels met the parameters set by the IOC.”

Paris 2024 Olympics, Imane Khelif against Angela Carini, controversy erupts over the Algerian boxer's sex

On what authority can the International Olympic Committee overturn the decisions taken by the world governing bodies of a sporting discipline?

decripto.org

It doesn’t say what the actual number is but her hormone levels are within IOC regulations.

''According to the IOC, ‘All athletes participating in the boxing tournament of the Olympic Games shall comply with the eligibility and registration regulations, as well as all applicable medical regulations in accordance with the rules of the Paris Boxing Unit’. In other words, Khelif has all the gender requirements to compete.''

It would help if they would tell the public what these medical regulations were specifically.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

''According to the IOC, ‘All athletes participating in the boxing tournament of the Olympic Games shall comply with the eligibility and registration regulations, as well as all applicable medical regulations in accordance with the rules of the Paris Boxing Unit’. In other words, Khelif has all the gender requirements to compete.''

It would help if they would tell the public what these medical regulations were specifically.

From what I can tell, it seems the difference between the IOC Paris Boxing Unit vs the IBA is that the IOC allows female athletes with XY chromosomes to compete as women as long as their hormones are within the allowable range for women; the IBF, on the other hand, will not allow women with an XY chromosome to compete and would maintain that she is not a woman.

It also seems that there is some rather serious conflict between the IOC and the IBA. Again, from the article I posted above:

“In June 2023, the IOC stripped the IBA of its right to govern international amateur boxing owing to the IBA's alleged failure to reform certain financial, ethical, and governance-related issues.”

Basically, the IOC flat out accused the IBA of being too corrupt and untrustworthy to be allowed to regulate the Olympics and they thus took over with their own committee.

It’s thus understandable that people are upset as there is confusion and mixed messaging coming from different outlets. Unfortunately, it also seems that the usual far right suspects who rage-watch the Olympics for no other purpose than to find things to be aggrieved over seized on the confusion to pedal their own anti-trans narrative; in so doing, they have (as always) added a whole layer of rage-fuelled toxicity to a conversation that might otherwise have been more productive.