The hell you know about Information Clearing House. They don't publish their own news. They reprint news that is of interest.Information clearing house is even worse. Are you able to get valid sources?
Dropping cluster bombs around refugee camps is criminal. Cluster bombs lie around in the ground and explode when somebody steps on one.You mean this link?
"Are there any western liberal lefty media reports (links?) that say Russia is bombing civilians?
Lots. Here is one:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/w...cle4623770.ece "
The contents contradict its headline:
"Russia drops cluster bombs on Syrian camp"
The article really says that
"Russia fired cluster bombs AROUND border camps housing thousands of Syrian refugees in the weeks...."
"The area AROUND the Yamadi camp, a few hundred metres from the Turkish border, was targeted by Russian strikes three times in the past month."
A clear manipulation that you fell for, especially for those who only read headlines.
So one cluster bomb landed inside another camp. More like a single bomblet from a cluster bomb. Collateral damage, but not any where near the colossal damage to civilians the US did to Fallujah when they retook it from the Iraqi militias. Not like the colossal collateral damage Israel did to Gaza when they killed 2600 civilians the last time they had a go at them; Israel bombed inside the gigantic prison/refugee camp that is Gaza where people have nowhere to go. Then there is the massive bombing campaign Israel (your heroes) did to Lebanon in 2006 when they bombed the Southern suburbs of Beirut and destroyed and killed over 2000 civilians as they flattened scores of apartment buildings just because Hezbollah had a rental office in each one. And your article (if you actually read it) talks of perhaps 50 killed in a wide area with Jihadists hiding among civilians (Israel's typical excuse) in the last 3 weeks.
Here's a recent article from another British source, credible this one, by Robert Fisk of the Independent, about the fantasy that there are actually any moderate rebels in Syria (that Russia is supposed to be bombing instead of terrorists):
"At one point last week, one of Cameron’s satraps was even referring to this phantom army as “ground troops”. I doubt if there are 700 active “moderate” foot soldiers in Syria – and I am being very generous, for the figure may be nearer 70 – let alone 70,000. "
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ever-heard-of-a-moderate-with-a-a6753576.html
The reason some of us watch RT, is to get information that your Mainstream Media Brainwash fails to mention, and frequently redacts to put the government spin on. Also, getting the other side to a story otherwise reported by a bunch of stenographers posing as journalists, who are reduced to printing State Department and Foreign Office press releases, as well as reporting statements by famous NATO ventriloquist puppet Stoltenberg.
If you think they are reprinting valid sources, quote this sources. It is a bullshit site full of nonsense and gibberish. If there is any non gibberish mixed into the noise there, please link the actual valid source so we don't have to waste time determining what sort of snow job is being pulled by IC.The hell you know about Information Clearing House. They don't publish their own news. They reprint news that is of interest.
So Republican Patrick Buchanan is a propaganda mouthpiece? He's frequently reprinted on ICH:
Stumbling to War With Russia?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43566.htm
Is Putin Our Ally in Syria?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43566.htm
Its clear that, to you, anything that runs against your preconceived notions will never be credible.
You don't listen, do you. Or read what's in front of you. I just answered you that ICH does not publish its own news, and you reply that it's bullshit. It reprints news that's already been published in other media. You're clearly blind to stuff you don't agree with. You've never actually read ICH and its contents; you probably picked that notion up from some of your infotainment source like the fools Hannity or Reilly on Fox.If you think they are reprinting valid sources, quote this sources. It is a bullshit site full of nonsense and gibberish. If there is any non gibberish mixed into the noise there, please link the actual valid source so we don't have to waste time determining what sort of snow job is being pulled by IC.
So please just directly post the legit sources that are being reprinted, instead of the garbage site reprinting them. ICH reprints crap on a routine basis. The validity of the actual source can then actually be judged.You don't listen, do you. Or read what's in front of you. I just answered you that ICH does not publish its own news, and you reply that it's bullshit. It reprints news that's already been published in other media. You're clearly blind to stuff you don't agree with. You've never actually read ICH and its contents; you probably picked that notion up from some of your infotainment source like the fools Hannity or Reilly on Fox.
It's not difficult to check on the validity of the sources, and the author is clearly noted and the source is very often a newspaper like the Guardian. Anyone can do basic cut/paste/google, so I'm going to indulge you this once:
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle43566.htm
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http://buchanan.org/blog/stumbling-to-war-with-russia-124334
and
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43446.htm
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http://buchanan.org/blog/is-putin-our-ally-in-syria-124284
You got caught with your pants down on this one. Your MSM is lying, and I've just shown you a small example. Free thinking minds are not blinded by blind rhetoric and propaganda coming out of the corporate press.
I'm not the hypocrite, you are. Others on this forum will judge for themselves. Thanks for your opinion, but I think you're bordering on the delusional.
Thanks Promo for clearing this up. I don't know what fuji was thinking? Don't fuck with the Russians. Watch what they do in Syria.Fuji, I think you made that up. Can you support your statement?
The Russian standing armed forces are 2X larger, the reservers are 20X larger, Russia has 3.5X as many combat aircraft, 3X as many helicopters, 4X as many tanks (20X according to Wikipedia), 6X as much artillery, 3X larger navy, 5X supply vehicles and 3.5X larger military budget
Russian special forces are considered among the best in the world are are battle proven
Most of the Russian's standing army have live combat experience
Turkey has only 354 modern tanks (Leopard 2) and most of their tanks are M60 and M48 which are 50s and 60s vintage. Russia has 4100 modern tanks (T90 and T80) and 8700 semi-modern T72.
Russian APCs are as good as American APCs and are more heavily armed and faster and have been proven in the region. Turkey APCs are home-grown and less tested in live combat
Russia and Turkey soldier carried weapons (rifles, machine guns) are equivalent (Turkey uses a AK47 variant). Russian infantry platoons normally carry mortars and grenade launchers and are better equipped for day-to-day combat, Turkey uses specialized platoons.
Russia has a significant anti-aircraft capability within the army including soldier launched and self-propelled weapons - I'm sure Turkey does, but I couldn't find references quickly
Turkey fighters consist of 250 F16 and 47 Phantom II. Phanton II are also used for ground attack. Russian air force is SUPERIOR by every possible measure! Turkey has very little strike, ground attack and close-combat capabilities, none of it modern.
Russia has 4500 nukes to Turkey's 0. Turkey is believed to host 60 American weapons.
Only other major variable is leadership and desire to fight. Not my area of expertise and I would not want to pick a fight with either country, but the Russians have more experience and a crazier leader.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/coun...ountry1=turkey&country2=russia&Submit=COMPARE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Russian_Ground_Forces
My friend. Please don't read my posts. Wait until after pubertyIt wasn't a rifle, it was a heavy machine gun on the back of a Toyota truck, yes the Toyota Tacoma Diesel with the Daesh equipment pkg, including bluetooth lol .
What Buchanan actually wrote was never an issue, with you nor anybody else. What was at issue was a statement by you that anything on ICH was trash, and I used a reputable person to disprove that fact, that there's a way lot more to ICH than trash, which is what you wrote:By the way, the quick scan I did of those opinion articles by Buchanan did not turn up anything that contradicts anything I wrote. Please sober up before calling me a liar in the future and stop wasting my time with links to content that does not support your rhetoric.
The time link was very non committal and quoted the same suspect sources I had already questionedI already gave you the Times link and others have given you further links. If they are not actively trying to kill civilians they sure as heck aren't doing anything to avoid killing civilians.
We have certainly not seen any of the moral warfare methods pioneered by IDF, warning civilians away from hotspots, roof knocking, highly targeted strikes, etc.
Yes civilians still wind up dying, particularly when the insurgents use them as human shields, but WAY fewer.
As you liked pointing out Israel dropped the equivalent of multiple Hiroshima bombs on Gaza, yet only a small number of civilians were killed.
Assad was killing that many civilians a day at one point and now Russia is making the killing all the more efficient, bombing public markets, cluster bombing around refugee camps, etc.
Cluster bombs explode on impact or w time delay. Mines explode when stepped on... don't confuse the twoDropping cluster bombs around refugee camps is criminal. Cluster bombs lie around in the ground and explode when somebody steps on one.
You were also provided with a link to a story about Russia bombing a public market. There were also stories about Russia bombing hospitals posted previously by others.
You are simply a hypocrite.
And RT isn't an alternative media source, it is a Russian state run propaganda agency and only stupid sheep believe anything they hear there. You would have to be really pretty stupid to use the Russian state propaganda ministry as a source for whether Russia is committing war crimes.
ICH is utter garbage and should never be cited. They have no editorial value whatsoever and repost the most ludicrous sources. The fact that if you search long and hard you might find something that is useful doesn't change that net net they are pure garbage.What Buchanan actually wrote was never an issue, with you nor anybody else. What was at issue was a statement by you that anything on ICH was trash
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RT is alternative media. It doesn't follow the corporate MSM narrative, and I think people who watch it are smart enough to take what they see with a grain of salt... that's why they don't just watch MSM in the first place.
How about you avoid replying to mine until you are no longer stupid. I.e foreverMy friend. Please don't read my posts. Wait until after puberty
Cluster bombs are banned for use in civilian areas because they often DON'T explode on impact the way they are supposed to and result in enormous hazard to civilian populations. Particularly children.Cluster bombs explode on impact or w time delay. Mines explode when stepped on... don't confuse the two
Has the Times retracted the story?The time link was very non committal and quoted the same suspect sources I had already questioned
If you don't agree with the sources of information upon which people make their case, then it is up to you to disprove such sources with your own facts, and not use conjecture (pulling stuff out of your ass).If you think RT is a legitimate source, particularly with respect to stories on Russia's enemies in Syria, then you are dumber than a petrified stump.
I have disproved such sources: RT is an agency of the Russian government. Not figuratively. Literally. They are wholly owned and controlled by the Russian state.If you don't agree with the sources of information upon which people make their case, then it is up to you to disprove such sources with your own facts, and not use conjecture (pulling stuff out of your ass).
The facts are here for all to see: that your memory is extremely selective. You can't stand a difference of opinion and you resort to invectiveness and childish name calling as a result (see above).
Counter point:RT reporter quits on air:
