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Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.

Frankfooter

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What you fail to comprehend that when you say that you condemn terrorism yet at the same time give justification for it or use "whataboutism" as an excuse, it means that your condemnation is meaningless. You don't really mean it. You are not fooling anyone. You are endorsing the Oct.7 attack. You cannot speak out of both sides of your mouth.
When you condemn terrorism by people of one race and then support terrorism by people of another race you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Genocide Joe paid 70% of the bill for the bombs used to kill Palestinian children, 4 times vetoed ceasefire calls at the UN, threatened the ICC and publicly declared he was a zionist. trump proved that the US could force Israel to stop.

You made your bed, you lie in it.
You can no longer say you are against MAGA because of the law or that you are against corruption.
That means you are no different than MAGA, you just back hitler lite.

Every US president including Trump would have paid those bills.
That is the US Israel relations.
Biden just happened to be President during October 7.
But you seem to forget that the US will move on from Trump.
If Muslims and pro-Palestinians cared about Gaza they would have made the smart choice and voted Harris.
They've just shot themselves in the foot with this choice and Trump showed you who he is.
 

Frankfooter

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Every US president including Trump would have paid those bills.
That is the US Israel relations.
Biden just happened to be President during October 7.
But you seem to forget that the US will move on from Trump.
If Muslims and pro-Palestinians cared about Gaza they would have made the smart choice and voted Harris.
They've just shot themselves in the foot with this choice and Trump showed you who he is.
No other president has allowed Israel to commit genocide and then supported and paid for it for a year.

You are ok with voting for a hitler.
I'm not and neither were 6 million americans.
 

Butler1000

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Accepting that, I would ask as a variation of Shaq's question, in the last election which choice do you think would have done a better job of acting for the better good?
Honestly neither. Trump is Trump and Harris is a functioning alcoholic who would have been a puppet. Both would and will fund Israel who is clearly removing Palestinians. I don't sugar coat it. And am of the opinion that there can never be a peaceful resolution. 40 years of watching this has made it clear. Only the rise of two leaders who not only want peace but can convince the 2 populations and stay alive while doing it could get there.

Israel is going to win this one. Even the Arabs know that. But there are images to upkeep.
 

Butler1000

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Biden did not really support a genocide.
This is your allegation.
You are putting Israeli actions on Biden.
But if protesting and having a moral standing is more important than an ethnic cleansing, then sure.
You made your bed, you lie in it.
Just dont complain later for the stupid choices you made.
Words.....actions......

He could have stopped all weapon transfers, all ammo transfers, and organized sanctions. He didn't. It's all fake imagery.
 

Butler1000

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Every US president including Trump would have paid those bills.
That is the US Israel relations.
Biden just happened to be President during October 7.
But you seem to forget that the US will move on from Trump.
If Muslims and pro-Palestinians cared about Gaza they would have made the smart choice and voted Harris.
They've just shot themselves in the foot with this choice and Trump showed you who he is.
You do realize you just admitted Harris, as "every US President" would have also paid the bills, right?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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No other president has allowed Israel to commit genocide and then supported and paid for it for a year.

You are ok with voting for a hitler.
I'm not and neither were 6 million americans.
No other President had to deal with an attack like October 7.
And pro-Palestinians and Muslims made their choice and now have to live with Trump's ethnic cleansing.
 

shack

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See how you will not condemn the killings on all sides like I did. Yet you try to make these "whataboutism" nonsense as your excuse to deflect from a simple question:

Do you condemn the killings of not only Hamas, but also Irgun in the past, as well as the indiscriminate bombings of the mainly Palestinian Women and Children by The IDF?

The vast majority of Nations around the Globe did so and even designated the killings in the manner that it was conducted by The IDF as "Genocide"!!
My POV is in line with the vast majority, but yet you act in a childish way in the manner in which you avoid a very simple and basic question and then falsely try to state that I somehow support the Oct 7th Killings!! :rolleyes:
Sorry bud. It was you making the loud and "noble" declaration that you condemn all terrorism. I challenged your assertion with valid reasons why I don't accept it at face value.

You have yet to refute my statement that when you provide what you consider "justifications" for the terror of Oct.7, you are not condemning it but promoting it. It is YOU who needs to start answering questions first because this is where our conversation began and you have provided no answers. Here's your chance.

Please reconcile how providing justifications for the Oct.7 terror attack fits in with condemning all terrorism.
 

shack

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I dont know if it’s as obvious as you guy make it seem to be.
First of Palestinians haven’t had a good life any
time recently so as far as hamas or other members of their team are concerned it’s okay for them to continue live in shit for a while it’s not really a sacrifice.
second, what if Palestinians can drag their suffering for long enough to poison enough people in America to convince the dems to turn their back on israel? If they are playing long game and they give no shit about their people’s quality of life maybe that’s gonna work for them?
remember for hamas what’s important it’s to continue their struggle. It’s not the destination it’s the journey. They have power and money while the journey lasts.
Fair points. But what Shaq was debating with frank was what was a better vote for Arab-Americans to make this past November. That was even in the post of Shaq that you quoted and responded to above. Shaq can't seem to get a straight answer.
 

shack

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Honestly neither. Trump is Trump and Harris is a functioning alcoholic who would have been a puppet. Both would and will fund Israel who is clearly removing Palestinians. I don't sugar coat it. And am of the opinion that there can never be a peaceful resolution. 40 years of watching this has made it clear. Only the rise of two leaders who not only want peace but can convince the 2 populations and stay alive while doing it could get there.

Israel is going to win this one. Even the Arabs know that. But there are images to upkeep.
I like your answer except to ask what does not voting accomplish?

BTW, I'd never heard that about Harris. Is this a widely accepted story?
 

Frankfooter

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Sorry bud. It was you making the loud and "noble" declaration that you condemn all terrorism. I challenged your assertion with valid reasons why I don't accept it at face value.

You have yet to refute my statement that when you provide what you consider "justifications" for the terror of Oct.7, you are not condemning it but promoting it. It is YOU who needs to start answering questions first because this is where our conversation began and you have provided no answers. Here's your chance.

Please reconcile how providing justifications for the Oct.7 terror attack fits in with condemning all terrorism.
You refuse to condemn terrorism committed by zionists, this is all you talking out of the side of your mouth.

 

Frankfooter

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Fair points. But what Shaq was debating with frank was what was a better vote for Arab-Americans to make this past November. That was even in the post of Shaq that you quoted and responded to above. Shaq can't seem to get a straight answer.
Shaq got multiple straight answers, like you, he won't accept them.
He has a narrative and he's sticking with it.
 

shack

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Shaq got multiple straight answers, like you, he won't accept them.
He has a narrative and he's sticking with it.
I was talking to beaver.

You should stop stalking me. You respond to almost every post of mine even when I'm talking to someone else. You are obsessed with me.
 

Butler1000

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I like your answer except to ask what does not voting accomplish?

BTW, I'd never heard that about Harris. Is this a widely accepted story?
I can't speak for the motivation of millions. I'm sure you will get several answers. I can only speak of the one time I officially declined my ballot in an Ontario election. I went down, followed the process and it was duly noted. And I did it because I truly felt at that time none of the above was the only choice I could make. In the greater scheme of things my one non vote was meaningless. But voting can be a very personal thing. Mine is always to be earned. So that was my motivation.

As to Harris. I spent decades as a Bartender/Server. And had a few in my personal life. I know the signs. Her final video after the election from Hawaii was the last straw. Rumors have been circulating for awhile, but covered up. I'm awaiting the inevitable Betty Ford check-in now.
 

Valcazar

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Newsweek, where are you getting your numbers?

Even if the difference was 6 million, 29% of that wins the election.
It doesn't actually.
Do the math.

You are assuming the 6M difference comprises solely of voters who voted for Biden in 2020.
Which is obviously something you can't assume.

The number of people who voted for Biden in 2020 and then voted for someone else or stayed home (not including those who died) isn't a number anyone has right now.
It will, in fact, be an incredibly difficult number to get.
Like I said elsewhere, Pew (which does some very serious voter validation work) will probably get closest to a realistic number sometime later this year or early next.
 
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