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Trump orders the transfer of Trans inmates from Women's prisons to Men's

southpaw

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He really believes that you are what you identify as...Crazy stuff.
He doesn't really believe it. If he did, he wouldn't throw them under the bus. They're women unless they rape a woman, in which case they turn into men.
In those specific cases I would agree to moving them to the male units.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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He doesn't really believe it. If he did, he wouldn't throw them under the bus. They're women unless they rape a woman, in which case they turn into men.
As I said, it was just a suggestion.
And I did not put too much thought into it, so may be it was not a very good one.
I already stated what I believe, so don't put words in my mouth.
 

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I already stated what I believe, so don't put words in my mouth.
Then stand by your beliefs. If you really believe trans women are women, it doesnt matter what they do. They'd still be women, and would belong in a women's prison.

There are angel of death nurses convicted of killing dozens of patients. We don't throw them in a men's prison.
 

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Then stand by your beliefs. If you really believe trans women are women, it doesnt matter what they do. They'd still be women, and would belong in a women's prison.

There are angel of death nurses convicted of killing dozens of patients. We don't throw them in a men's prison.
I do.
And I also believe trans women belong in women's prisons in accordance with their gender identity.
So I am okay with keeping them in women's prisons and possibly doing whatever they would do if a female prisoner was caught raping another female inmate.
I was merely trying to come up with another suggestion that may be agreeable to both on the fly.
 
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Then stand by your beliefs. If you really believe trans women are women, it doesnt matter what they do. They'd still be women, and would belong in a women's prison.
He's trying to walk that back now that he realizes he's contradicting himself...
 

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I didn't read the whole thread, so I'm asking, how many inmates would need to be transferred.
 

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So I am okay with keeping them in women's prisons and possibly doing whatever they would do if a female prisoner was caught raping another female inmate.
Yes but trans women are not female. You've pointed out several times that sex is not gender. Maybe right here in this thread.

So you are okay with keeping them in women's prisons if a male prisoner was caught raping another female inmate. Agreed?
 
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He's trying to walk that back now that he realizes he's contradicting himself...
The cognitive dissonance of forcing oneself to believe obvious falsehoods. It must be mentally draining.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Yes but trans women are not female. You've pointed out several times that sex is not gender. Maybe right here in this thread.

So you are okay with keeping them in women's prisons if a male prisoner was caught raping another female inmate. Agreed?
Trans women are women.
Prisons are not by sex.
They are by gender.
So am okay keeping trans women in women's prisons.
 

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The cognitive dissonance of forcing oneself to believe obvious falsehoods. It must be mentally draining.
The falsehood here is in your assuming that sex and gender are the same.
They are not.
You pointed out a flaw in my idea and I agreed it was a bad one. So I took it back.
But you are still holding on to it because you were never interested in an honest discussion.
You want to hold to it to use it in a game of verbal gymnastics to try and dishonestly put words in people's mouth.
 
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The cognitive dissonance of forcing oneself to believe obvious falsehoods. It must be mentally draining.
it goes deeper than that
the left are committed to tearing down western values and western institutions

Just look at universities, which use to be centers of higher learning, technological advances and a pathway for acquiring skills that lead to productive careers
Now they are the epicenter for hate filled protests against complex issues these fool kids can not even begin to comprehend - Israel "Bad"
Seemingly normal kids go in and come out thinking they get to self identify as some sort of house pet.
The root cause: Humanities departments are filled with loonie left professors

Crime runs rapid in the street and they place prisoners rights as the most pressing issue
Let a loonie get political control and life becomes hell for the public

let them anywhere near the public purse and they will spend it all and borrow to the max with no regard for the future
why care about the future if the plan is to tear down the current system ?

for thousands of years there have been males / females named he or she
Then a few years ago all of a sudden , no you must address this alphabet person as they demand. WTF ?
Cousin It was the only other time that he / she did not work
and there is some freak dude winning all the women's swim meets, while some other freak dude claims the women's weightlifting title.

Do not agree?
You must be a racist redneck Nazi

the left are committed to tearing down western values and western institutions
 
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it goes deeper than that
the left are committed to tearing down western values and western institutions

Just look at universities, which use to be centers of higher learning, technological advances and a pathway for acquiring skills that lead to productive careers
Now they are the epicenter for hate filled protests against complex issues these fool kids can not even begin to comprehend - Israel "Bad"
Seemingly normal kids go in and come out thinking they get to self identify as some sort house pet.
The root cause: Humanities departments are filled with loonie left professors

Crime runs rapid in the street and they place prisoners rights as the most pressing issue
Let a loonie get political control and life becomes hell for the public

let them anywhere near the public purse and they will spend it all and borrow to the max with no regard for the future
why care about the future if the plan is to tear down the current system ?

for thousands of years there have been males / females named he or she
Then a few years ago all of a sudden , no you must address this alphabet person as they demand. WTF ?
Cousin It was the only other time that he / she did not work
and there is some freak dude winning all the women's swim meets, while some other freak dude claims the women's weightlifting title.

Do not agree?
You must be a racist redneck Nazi

the left are committed to tearing down western values and western institutions
Yet you claim to be university educated and can't even understand the basics of climate change and your economic model fell out of fashion 30 years ago.
Now you think its too hard to understand that protesting genocide is reasonable.
wow
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Yet you claim to be university educated and can't even understand the basics of climate change and your economic model fell out of fashion 30 years ago.
Now you think its too hard to understand that protesting genocide is reasonable.
wow
I will follow danmand's advice on JohnLarue.
Which is basically to just ignore him.
He is almost always factually wrong, not politically mind you (which we could agree to disagree on), but factually, on any topic he engages in.
 

Frankfooter

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I will follow danmand's advice on JohnLarue.
Which is basically to just ignore him.
He is almost always factually wrong, not politically mind you (which we could agree to disagree on), but factually, on any topic he engages in.
He's totally dishonest in debate as well, he won't admit errors and just starts throwing insults instead.

Trump just banned trans from the military as well, which is probably like banning cats from serving. Meanwhile the US prison system has turned into privatized slave labour.

 
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He's totally dishonest in debate as well, he won't admit errors and just starts throwing insults instead.
Trump just banned trans from the military as well, which is probably like banning cats from serving. Meanwhile the US prison system has turned into privatized slave labour.
Yup.
He just airs his personal biases as "facts" and then lashes out and resorts to childish repetition when confronted.
The US prison system has always used sort of slave labour.
Most notably for fighting wildfires in California.
 
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