Trump orders the transfer of Trans inmates from Women's prisons to Men's

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So biological men who claim to be women should be in women's prisons according to you? You believe they don't rape women or won't ever rape women?
What about the rights of women to be naked in private spaces?
You are okay with biological males in your daughter's change rooms or showers while they are claiming to be women? Is that correct?

As I said, yes.
A person should be able to use facilities that are in line with their lived gender identity.
That is infact the Ontario human rights code.
Similarly a trans women should be housed in the women's unit of the prison.
And no trans women dont rape anyone and I have heard may be 1 or 2 cases of that happening. That too not in Canada.
So outliers.
But it is widely studied and reported that trans women suffer rape and sexual abuse routinely at the hands of men in prisons.
So it does not make sense to house them in the mens unit for purely ideological reasons.
Its not even something that affects or is visible to anyone.
As I said in my prior reply, I would not be okay however if a guy was pretending to be a woman and showed up with a beard and a beer belly.
But most men dont do that, and most trans women are genuinely trans women.
So I see no issues.

 

[WetSeeker]

Why are white conservative men so bent on trans using the same washrooms and showers as they do ?

You missed the point completely and trying to twist it to fit your narrative, it is about protecting the rights of women to be safe and free of potential male rapists.
Just because a man claims to be a woman does not make him safe. I find it insane that men think they can know how a woman would feel with a man in their private space.
The fact that pro trans men think they can speak for women says it all.
I'd love to see them welcome a trans men to go into their daughter's change room or share a shower, that's nuts (pun intended)

 

[southpaw]

And no trans women dont rape anyone and I have heard may be 1 or 2 cases of that happening. That too not in Canada.

You were saying.

Study finds nearly 45% of trans-women inmates convicted of sex crimes

A shocking new Correctional Service of Canada study has revealed that a staggering majority of male-to-female transgender inmates are behind bars for sexual offences.

torontosun.com

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You were saying.

Study finds nearly 45% of trans-women inmates convicted of sex crimes

A shocking new Correctional Service of Canada study has revealed that a staggering majority of male-to-female transgender inmates are behind bars for sexual offences.

torontosun.com

Yes, they are criminals.
Which is why they are in prison.
The question is not why they were convicted but their condition while in prison.
How many of these transwomen have raped fellow female inmates in the women's unit where they are housed presently?
Am sure there are one or two cases, but they are outliers.
In those specific cases I would agree to moving them to the male units.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

You missed the point completely and trying to twist it to fit your narrative, it is about protecting the rights of women to be safe and free of potential male rapists.
Just because a man claims to be a woman does not make him safe. I find it insane that men think they can know how a woman would feel with a man in their private space.
The fact that pro trans men think they can speak for women says it all.
I'd love to see them welcome a trans men to go into their daughter's change room or share a shower, that's nuts (pun intended)

Wow you would love to see a trans man shower with an underage girl ? You are truly sick fuck. You are like Mark robinson and Matt gaetz all in one. Not surprising after reading this : https://lawsuit.org/general-law/republicans-have-an-obsession-with-transgender-pornography/

 

[southpaw]

In those specific cases I would agree to moving them to the male units.

Why? As you said above:

"A person should be able to use facilities that are in line with their lived gender identity."

If they commit a sexual assault on a woman in prison, their gender identity hasn't changed.

If a cisgender woman inmate sexually assaults another woman inmate, would you move her to the male prison?

 

[WetSeeker]

Wow you would love to see a trans man shower with an underage girl ? You are truly sick fuck. You are like Mark robinson and Matt gaetz all in one. Not surprising after reading this : https://lawsuit.org/general-law/republicans-have-an-obsession-with-transgender-pornography/

Not at all - I meant I do NOT want a biological man who claims to be a woman in any women space. It is insane. The language is so fucked up I said trans man - I think that should be trans woman (which is a man pretending to be a woman) so I am in agreement with you actually, this whole debate is crazy, no way should anyone with a penis be put with women whether they think they are a male or a woman pretending to be a man.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Why? As you said above:

"A person should be able to use facilities that are in line with their lived gender identity."

If they commit a sexual assault on a woman in prison, their gender identity hasn't changed.

If a cisgender woman inmate sexually assaults another woman inmate, would you move her to the male prison?

Why? If they commit a sexual assault on a woman in prison, their gender identity hasn't changed.
Because it is a different problem than housing them in women's prisons and I was suggesting a way of dealing with it.
Maybe that is not a very good idea.
Feel free to suggest something else.
"A person should be able to use facilities that are in line with their lived gender identity."
Yes. They should.
If a cisgender woman inmate sexually assaults another woman inmate, would you move her to the male prison?
No. I wouldn't

 

[The Oracle]

You were saying.

Study finds nearly 45% of trans-women inmates convicted of sex crimes

A shocking new Correctional Service of Canada study has revealed that a staggering majority of male-to-female transgender inmates are behind bars for sexual offences.

torontosun.com

The woke mind virus is strong with this one...He really believes that you are what you identify as...Crazy stuff.

 

[danmand]

Yes, they are criminals.
Which is why they are in prison.
The question is not why they were convicted but their condition while in prison.
How many of these transwomen have raped fellow female inmates in the women's unit where they are housed presently?
Am sure there are one or two cases, but they are outliers.
In those specific cases I would agree to moving them to the male units.

This concern for safety of women from trans is probably real in the people's heads, but it is dwarfed by the real problem: CONDITIONS IN USA AND CANADIAN PRISONS ARE INHUMAN.

NOBODY IS SAFE IN USA AND CANADIAN PRISONS.

But it is much easier to scream about a tiny, fairly insignificant problem (BTW I agree with them) instead of dealing with real problems.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

...He really believes that you are what you identify as...Crazy stuff.

So are you saying we should disregard what someone says they identifies as and instead make our own assumptions about them?

 

[Frankfooter]

You were saying.

Study finds nearly 45% of trans-women inmates convicted of sex crimes

A shocking new Correctional Service of Canada study has revealed that a staggering majority of male-to-female transgender inmates are behind bars for sexual offences.

torontosun.com

Sex crimes like sex workers?

 

[mandrill]

I think the Trans are going to have a good time in men's prisons

Boy, when the prison guards can't keep them safe, the billion $$$$ lawsuits for rape and beatings are really going to be flying around. This could be a big pay-off for trans prisoners and their attorneys.

What ya figure???..... Over or under $10 billion in total aggregate lawsuit damages against the federal prison system??

 

[JohnLarue]

All is good, as long as everybody is protected in prison.

you do not get the concept of prison
prisons exist so that everybody else is protected from those in prison.

breaking the law is a risky proposition, including the risk you get thrown in the slammer with other evil people
its not a secret. criminals know life in the slammer is a hell hole , but they take those risks on

It is the responsibility of the state to protect and treat every prisoner with dignity.

It is the responsibility of the state to protect the public from those that need to be in prison
once that is accomplished ( and is not) you can enquire about the prisoners dignity

your demand is not a high priority as long crime on the outside thrives

USA's and Canada's track record for this is not good.

prison are not meant to be resorts with a 3, 4 or 5 star ratings
focus on the outside crime record instead.

 

[southpaw]

Maybe that is not a very good idea.
Feel free to suggest something else.

Here's my suggestion: male prisoners in male prisons. Female prisoners in female prisons. Pretty straightforward. Same goes for bathrooms.

 

[southpaw]

So are you saying we should disregard what someone says they identifies as and instead make our own assumptions about them?

Yes. OBGYNs do it every day. Those bigots.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Here's my suggestion: male prisoners in male prisons. Female prisoners in female prisons. Pretty straightforward. Same goes for bathrooms.

Great.
And trans in prisons/bathrooms in accordance with their lived gender identity.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Yes. OBGYNs do it every day. Those bigots.

No, they don't determine gender.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Inmate Sues the Trump Administration Over Transgender Executive Order

The suit challenges an executive action that required trans women to be housed in prisons for men, and ends transition-related medical treatment for prisoners.

www.nytimes.com

 

[richaceg]

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