why did the republicans approve it and kept sending money while Trump was pretending to be in office the first time and later while Biden was in office? You do realize its up to the senate to approve these funds right ?By refusing to back down on Urkaines accession to NATO or agree not to base nuclear weapons there. They also poured weapons into Urkraine and established 13 CIA bases on the border with Russia. Russia is protecting the Eastern Ukrainians from the genocidal Kiev nationalist movement that has a genocidal history against Jews, Poles, Russian etc. Still waiting for your "WIN" plan...The Biden admin wanted this war. When Biden was certain that Russia was gonna attack, did he lift a finger to try and stop it?
Trump cuts off Ukraine at knees, We negotiate peace. then you do what we say.
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Because the warmongers were in charge. They aren't any longer.
Look at the commentary about it. It's despicable. People from 6000 miles away praising the effort to destabilize Russia, to bring Russia to its knees. It's worth it, they say.... because it's not their sons and husbands and fathers dying. It's incredible to me that THIS position is still supposedly the morally virtuous one. Absolutely heinous stuff. What's a million dead Ukrainian men when you get to fulfill your violent foreign policy agenda, right?
Look at the commentary about it. It's despicable. People from 6000 miles away praising the effort to destabilize Russia, to bring Russia to its knees. It's worth it, they say.... because it's not their sons and husbands and fathers dying. It's incredible to me that THIS position is still supposedly the morally virtuous one. Absolutely heinous stuff. What's a million dead Ukrainian men when you get to fulfill your violent foreign policy agenda, right?
Its not about GOP or party or Trump. Fact is, they expected Russia to collapse, they did not give a shit about Ukraine, nor do they now. NOT 1 BIT. Not even Europe. So again what is your plan to turn the war around to a win?
Its really a Slavicide. As they say the Slavs are the white niggers. Slav on Slav is a dream come true for them.
wigglee said:
Here is the quote from you which I responded to...." The conversation always seems to stop when I ask which country in the middle east is a greater ally to the US than Israel. "
Here is the quote from you which I responded to...." The conversation always seems to stop when I ask which country in the middle east is a greater ally to the US than Israel. "
You keep stalking me.
No one ever said it was a morally superior position. It's a utilitarian position.
0: Russia is anti-west. If you are a freedom loving, free market, capitalist, you want Russia to have the minimum amount of power and influence (money and guns) possible.
1: Russia invaded Ukraine. In a Land Grab. Because Russia has trouble feeding it's citizens. This makes Russia the aggressor, full stop.
2: You can't send in the full force of NATO, to Bomba them back to the Czarist days, because Russia has nukes. Nuclear war means billions of deaths.
3: So your options are 1) let russia expand unchecked, which is against item [0:], or 2) let russia beat their heads against Ukraine and exhaust their resources.
Russia made a choice for there to be deaths in this conflict. The number of deaths can not be zero, due to Russia's actions. The utilitarian approach is to then minimize _total_ deaths. 1 million Ukes is less than 5 million Europeans. And as a world leader, 0 of my citizens is better than !0 my citizens.
The world is a hard, cold place. There are no good decisions, only better or worse ones. A less influential Russia is a good thing, full stop.
Indeed the world is a hard place. Ukrainians decided to seek NATO membership and they paid dearly for it, like most countries who get involved in US regime change foreign policy nonsense.
The money dried up. It's time to lick their wounds, give up their land, and make the best of the situation they put themselves in.
As a free market capitalist living in Canada, I can assure you Russia was the least of my worries in 2014, and in 2022, and now in 2025. I also don't care to indulge snobby liberal western Europeans and their fetish fantasy of a Russian invasion on their soil. Childish nonsense. They engineered their own downfall.
The money dried up. It's time to lick their wounds, give up their land, and make the best of the situation they put themselves in.
As a free market capitalist living in Canada, I can assure you Russia was the least of my worries in 2014, and in 2022, and now in 2025. I also don't care to indulge snobby liberal western Europeans and their fetish fantasy of a Russian invasion on their soil. Childish nonsense. They engineered their own downfall.
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What if Ukraine exhausts its human resources of all the young people willing to
get killed? I guess the viable options are a) Forced conscriptions of unwilling
Ukrainians elderly and underaged included. b) the UK, Europe and Canada sending
in their troops to carry on the war until Putin is taken out.
Remember Russia signed the deal that Ukraine gives up nukes it will be safe.
I also can't help but laugh at the notion the Ukrainians only had 2 choices: fight or give up land. They could've made so many more diplomatic and political concessions in the years leading up to the invasion, and had peace and prosperity.
Now they'll lose 25% of their land, untold economic potential, and an entire generation of young men. Because they listened to Joe fricken Biden and that buffoon Boris Johnson.
Now they'll lose 25% of their land, untold economic potential, and an entire generation of young men. Because they listened to Joe fricken Biden and that buffoon Boris Johnson.
Oh, and here I though the reason for the invasion was to Denazify Ukraine, or was Putin lying about that?
Why did Putin choose to ignore the Charter for European Security, which Russia signed in 1999? Or the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, which they issued in 1994?
This was never about NATO.
A reality Iraq and Iran have to live with that is without nukes you
will be invaded or threatened. After the war (hopefully) ends Ukraine
will have to look to the nuclear-deprived countries so as to be
content with being denied the right to possess nuclear weapons.
Unfortunately that seems to be the lesson. Trumps appeasement mean Taiwan and Japan and south Korea and Australia and the Philippines etc have learned the USA will not honor its agreements. And if you don't turn over a chunk of your country's wealth to Trump he'll help your opponents. So, better start getting your nukes. Proliferation is a going to be a major side effect of this. That definitely makes the world much more dangerous.
that never includes inviting adversaries in. Lets build a Russian base in Canada and host nuclear missiles and see what happens.
Actually it Bidens admin that played Ukraine like a fiddle. Then smashed it and left the stage
to a round of applause no less 🫡
Even the head of NATO said it was about NATO, that was the principal reason, the genocide against Russians in Ukraine was the other. If Russia did not attack, the Ukrainians would have attacked Donbas and scores would have been killed as well as millions of refugees fleeing to Russia causing all kinds of security headaches. As it is there have already been a few terror incidents from Ukrainians in Russia.
Russia tried to join NATO wayy back post Soviet, they were told no by the USA which then proceeded to fund Chechen nationalists which triggered the Chechen wars.
How can you say that? How many wars has Israel got the USA ensnared in? How many trillions did they cost, how many died, what was accomplished. Lets list them:
iraq 1, Iraq2, Syria, Libya, Yemen, the entire Sahel region (side effect of Libya) Afghanistan... that is just the last 20 years. Probably about 15-20 T of the US debt is due to Israel.
