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Trump claims Biden pardons are 'VOID,' alleging they were signed via autopen

Vinson

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They're saying that Biden didn't even know that some were being pardoned.

President Donald Trump noted that it is not his decision but 'would be up to a court'


President Donald Trump claimed that former President Joe Biden's pardons of lawmakers who served on the House Select Committee to investigate the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, and others, are "VOID," alleging that they had been signed via an autopen and that Biden did not even know about them.

"The 'Pardons' that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of Political Thugs, and many others, are hereby declared VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT, because of the fact that they were done by Autopen," Trump claimed in a Truth Social post.

"In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them! The necessary Pardoning Documents were not explained to, or approved by, Biden. He knew nothing about them, and the people that did may have committed a crime," Trump added.

 

dirtydaveiii

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What a sad state when the people investigating insurectionists are the ones Republicans are most concerned with not thr inusrrectionists themselves
 
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danmand

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I wonder how many American laws would be annulled if this holds.
 
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mandrill

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I wonder how many American laws would be annulled if this holds.
I believe that Trump himself used an autopen - probably because his fat belly is so fucking massive that his tiny, flabby arms cannot stretch out and reach the desk to physically sign documents.
 

versitile1

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I wonder how many American laws would be annulled if this holds.
Maybe dump will try to make it illegal and retroactively go after Biden/Obama.

From the article;
WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY?
There is no law governing a president’s use of an autopen.
A 2005 opinion from the Office of Legal Counsel at the Justice Department said an autopen can be used to sign legislation. Barack Obama became the first president to do so in May 2011 when he signed an extension of the Patriot Act. Obama was in France on official business and, with time running out before the law expired, he authorized use of the autopen to sign it into law.
Much earlier guidance on pardons was sent in 1929 from the solicitor general — the attorney who argues for the United States before the Supreme Court — to the attorney general. It says “neither the Constitution nor any statute prescribes the method by which executive clemency shall be exercised or evidenced.”
 
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kherg007

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It's the same nonsense used to override any lawful control.
He's already removing protection from those folks - for who he's issued veiled threats - and now he's on the way to sabotaging social security. That will be his undoing.
The usual conservative trick is to stack a govt agency leadership w incompetents, and then when they fuck up, say "see? We told you govt can't do anything right!"
So, they'll damage it irreparably, then blame "government " then steal the money into their own accounts or crypto.
 
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