Trudeau tables bill to limit handguns, pledges to buy back assault weapons
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Another mass shooting in the greatest country in the universe.
4 dead in Tulsa at a hospital shootout, critical mass has been achieved. The Orifice is correct, Justin is a limp-wristed caricature for restricting gun access.
Melania would not pick Justin over Donato's sexy mouth.
4 dead in Tulsa at a hospital shootout, critical mass has been achieved. The Orifice is correct, Justin is a limp-wristed caricature for restricting gun access.
Melania would not pick Justin over Donato's sexy mouth.
Why should anyone care if city folks are licensed to own, safely possess and shoot their guns are the range?
THEY ARE NOT THE PROBLEM!
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The issue is that when the legal guns are freely available, somehow they are ending up in the hands of those criminals and murderers.
That is why nations who have very strict legislations on such weapons are the ones that very rarely get any gun crimes. Unlike the USA that has a record number of mass murders from shootings. Many of those were from legally obtained guns. That is why:
THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!!
They can be and in the end, if city dwellers are forbidden from having guns, so be it. I am in favor of enforcing strict and heavy punishment for anyone using a gun in the commission of a crime or carrying an illegal weapon.
But this isn't the USA.
That's like saying, as a John, you share responsibility for human trafficking...oh wait, someone is already saying that, but the rebuttal here always seems to be, "But not me, I'm a responsible purchaser of sex." Really? How do you really know? The difference is that SPs aren't federally licensed and Johns aren't federally registered; a lot less transparency, a lot more grey area and potential connections to crime than firearms ownership in this country.
It's hilariously hypocritical that that defense somehow "works" for this hobby, but not another one.
Seeing an escort is consensual, John wants to pay for sex, escort wants to be paid for sex, do you know anyone who consents to be shot, regardless of being paid or not?
Licensed target shooters aren't the ones shooting other people, without their consent.
I agree, the majority are not but the chance one goes over the cookoo's nest or gets sloppy and has their guns stolen isn't worth the risk because city dwellers will not die without their guns. They can find another hobby or take a drive to the good old USA and start spending a day target shooting.
"The chance" and "all illegal guns were once legal guns" are moronic arguments, that's about as substantial as saying, "All criminals started out as law abiding citizens, so (insert discrimination here)."
It still cracks me up that people anonymously posting on a secret, hooker review board don't see the irony of telling others to, "Find another hobby."
If they store their gun properly and aren't suddenly very angry or suffer a mental health crisis, they won't be a problem but we've seen in the past week how many people claim they don't follow those rules because they are scared of shadows. A child who knows the combo/location of the keys though could be a problem (and a law abiding gun owner is only law abiding until they aren't).
But Canadian law on guns has always been based on utility. A rifle is needed for hunting, protecting from pests, or in the far north, polar bears. Semi-autos have very little practical use. Handguns have no practical value to society other than a hobby for some people (excluding the very very few cases where civilians are licensed for personal protection).
The hobby that motivates this board isn't legal even though it limits the rights of the women selling their services so I see no valid rationale for handguns.
And yes, the ban on handguns will only be effective if the courts decide to follow through and the funds are provided to crack down on smuggling (would help if the US was able to cooperate on that part).
A "ban on handguns" won't be effective because the people who are misusing them, aren't licensed to begin with and licensed individuals can only sell to other licensed individuals.
What don't you understand?
I've never owned a gun, nor been interested in one, but this legislation makes me sick. It's a political stunt trying to distract from disastrous inflation and housing costs, spiraling debt, numerous scandals, invocation of the freaking Wartime Act to handle a protest without even meeting with the leaders first, etc. It's impact will be very minimal. And that type of image-without-substance tactic has worked for him in the past. Hopefully Canadians are starting to see through it.
Handguns aren't freely available to in this country. You can't simply walk into a store and buy one. We have very strict rules on legally owning firearms in Canada. That's why in a country of 37 million people, you rarely hear of a legal gun owner killing someone. So my original statement is correct. Legal gun owners aren't the problem.
We're talking about Canada and our gun laws here. Are you saying legal Canadian gun owners are the problem? They're the ones responsible for all the shootings in our country? This thread is about guns in Canada, not the US. Obviously the US has a gun problem. You can't compare the two countries, not even close.
I've got news for you. The likelihood of the legal gun owner snapping and committing a mass murder is slim to none. If they're hell bent on killing a bunch of people, there's nothing stopping them from driving a car or truck into a crowd of people.
You make it sound like all the handguns are owned by "city dwellers." Well, I have news for you. Many, many legal gun owners don't even live in the big cities.
I hate it when politicians insult my intelligence. They make it sound like taking away guns or reducing the number of legal gun owners will somehow have an effect on the number of gun crimes committed by gangbangers.
Tell me how the number of shootings and murder rate in Toronto will go down when it's not legal gun owners committing the crimes? I can't wait for your answer!
Trudeau and his Government have a habit of making these announcements after mass shootings. Take the Nova Scotia shooting for example.
Here's another reason why Trudeau's a slimeball and will stop at nothing to push his agenda.
"On May 1, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau went before Canadians and spoke of the tragedy of the mass shooting in Nova Scotia and promised to act on it. That day he announced that he was banning 1,500 different rifles and their variants as part of a public safety campaign related to that very shooting.
I knew at the time he was lying in making that link and now we have the proof, a briefing note presented to Trudeau just days earlier that told him all the guns used by Gabriel Wortman were illegally obtained.
As first reported by Ryan Tumilty in National Post, Trudeau was briefed on the mass murder of 22 people in Nova Scotia on April 24 with details the RCMP have still not made public. Wortman, a man with a troubled past, who was active in drug and cigarette smuggling, had used three guns smuggled in from the United States and one obtained illegally in Canada.
Still, Trudeau told us on May 1 that his gun control measures were about stopping such events.
“Last week, 22 Canadians were killed in the deadliest rampage in our country’s history,” Trudeau said at the time. “Their families deserve more than thoughts and prayers. Canadians deserve more than thoughts and prayers.”
Yet that is all he has given them. He went on to detail his gun ban, which would not have stopped the massacre in Nova Scotia any more than it would have prevented the shooting of 12-year-old Dante Andreatta who was killed while walking home from the grocery store with his mother when rival gangs shot up a quiet residential street on Nov. 7.
The gang members that shot and killed Dante used illegal guns just as Gabriel Wortman did. The two men now charged in Dante’s death were banned from owning or possessing guns via court order just as Wortman had once been banned.
Trudeau’s gun ban was never about stopping mass shootings like what happened in Nova Scotia any more than it was about stopping the gang violence that plagues cities like Toronto. We now have the proof in the briefing note presented to Trudeau on April 24 by National Security Advisor Vincent Rigby.
“The RCMP has confirmed that the suspect did not have a Firearms Acquisition Certificate,” the memo reads, using the old term for a gun licence.
The memo goes on to detail how Wortman had a Colt Law Enforcement Carbine sourced from a gun shop in California and smuggled into Canada as well as two pistols smuggled in from Maine. He also had a Ruger Mini-14 sourced to a Canadian store, but the memo doesn’t say how Wortman obtained it since he would not have been allowed to legally buy it in Canada.
Based on information obtained from multiple sources, I knew in April that the guns Wortman used were illegal, but the RCMP refused to confirm this information on several occasions. They told the PM though and he still went ahead and used what happened to push his political agenda of tackling gun crime by going after lawful gun owners instead of focusing on criminals and those with illegal guns.
The RCMP had been tipped off about Wortman and his illegal guns, his threats of violence against families and neighbours, and they did nothing. A legal gun owner facing the kinds of accusations leveled against Wortman would have seen their home raided and firearms seized, but nothing was ever done about Wortman.
Why remains a mystery, one we will hopefully find out more about during the public inquiry that is now underway.
Why Trudeau linked this massacre and his gun ban agenda is now crystal clear though — pure, partisan politics and nothing else. Shame on him."
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...au-knew-nova-scotia-gunman-used-smuggled-guns
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