Trudeau admires China's 'basic dictatorship'

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He should seek out the "root causes" of China's dictatorship.

Well that and what they've done to Tibet since 1950.
What sorts of things were you thinking of?

-- Eliminated slavery
-- Eliminated serfdom and implemented land reforms
-- Dramatically raised the standard of living
-- Put a rail line in to Lhasa, a massive economic boost
-- Got UNESCO protection for all the most culturally significant sites in Tibet

Are those the things you were thinking of?
 

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Whatever he meant to say is pretty much moot at this point. Its like a joke. If you have to explain it after its either a bad joke or bad communication on the part of the teller.

Part of being a good politician is to be able to communicate what we the voter will presume are the candidates political leanings.

So either way he pretty much messed this one up.
 

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Would it have been as big a deal if he had simply stated that he admired China's ability to manage their economy? This is the problem I have with politics. To start, a male bimbo (mimbo) like JT being the leader of a major political party. But more importantly, when someone says something unexpected, instead of TRYING to understand the point of the statement, instead everyone just spends their time parsing words.
Well, we voted this guy in twice;

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The great City State of Singapore is a benevolent dictatorship.
Sure it works for now, lets see what happens when times get tough, and lets see how it does in another 10, 20, or 50 years.
I did not say that it could not work, but as the preferred form of government, not so much.
 

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I don't care right or left.....but it's sad to hear Conservative media and politicians circle jerk over something someone never said......he wasn't admiring their dictatorship, he was admiring their ability even in a dictatorship to try and find alternative energy and seeing the logic even in the face of a blunted vision to know it was the right thing to do.
Would be wonderful if that was what he actually said. Here is what he actually said.
"There's a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime."
He is saying that he admires their ability to turn their economy around quickly BECAUSE of their basic dictatorship.
 

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Clearly Trudeau is following a strategy of speaking truth. It is a politically incorrect, but obviously true thing that he has said. You don't like people who speak the truth?

The current leadership seems to be reasonably tackling the issues facing the country and working in the interests of the Chinese people.
Thank you, he was speaking the truth, he admires a dictatorship because it can force its people to do things regardless of whether they make sense or not,whether they are good for people or not.
That is the truth now you can Continue spinning...
 

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Thank you, he was speaking the truth, he admires a dictatorship because it can force its people to do things regardless of whether they make sense or not,whether they are good for people or not.
That is the truth now you can Continue spinning...
I don't think that's what he said, I think you are being slimy and adding on your own claims like "regardless fo whether they make sense or not", to try and discredit what he said in a totally dishonest way.

I think he was admiring the ability of Chinese leaders to do things that make sense without having to jump through a zillion regulatory hurdles and without having to pander to NIMBYism. Imagine how much money Ontario could have saved, had it been simply able to say "to hell with you Oakvillians, we're building this damn gas plant whether or not you like it". Over in China when they needed more power, they simply build the Three Gorges Dam. They just did. They flooded hundreds of villages and relocated all those people because it was in the national interest to do so. And it was -- that dam provides power that China absolutely needs. Imagine the economic benefits to Canada if the Federal government could say, "we're building this pipline through the rockies, it's in the national interest, if you don't like having a pipeline near your home, go live someplace else".

Look at what they have been able to do at the municipal level in Shanghai sometime -- in Puxi they razed entire neighbourhoods of old rickety crappy buildings and replaced them all with modern highrises, shopping centers. They tore down blocks and stuck in big wide boulevards. They build a MASSIVE number of subway lines in the same time period that Toronto has been bickering about how to get one built. Across the river in Pudong they build a world class airport, a business district with several of the tallest towers in the world and a zillion office parks, and then link them up with the world's first maglev. And they did all that in about fifteen years. Think you can do that sort of thing in Canada? Hell no. Pudong would NEVER get built, and it'll take us fifty years to build out a subway equivalent to what Shanghai put in place in ten.

I think that's what he's admiring.

Were there winners and losers? Sure. The entire population of China have been massive winners, with enormous progress in the average income. In the past ten years most people in China's Eastern provinces have gone from riding bicycles to driving motorbikes and cars. The people in the West have gone from subsisting in ramshackle huts to living in nice modern homes with electricity and running water. The homeless have gone from starving on the street, to living in shelters and receiving substantial aid. There is NO-ONE in China who is not now significantly better off than they were ten years ago.

And it's not just because China is a developing country -- India is also a developing country, with a similar sized population, and a couple of decades ago was ahead of China developmentally. China has simply eclipsed India and now has more than double the average annual income per capita.

I think this is the stuff that Trudeau admires. It is an OBVIOUS truth, and it is one that no-one generally likes to talk about -- that a non-democracy got a lot of shit right and made some real progress.

Trudeau's job right now is to reinvent the Liberal party, which was totally trashed by a lot of thieves and liars a decade ago. He is clearly following a "speak unspeakable truths" policy, advocating the stuff everybody knows we need to do and nobody wants to talk about, taking controversial but sensible positions, and saying the things nobody else has the guts to say. In part, this is because the Liberal party is in, "nothing to lose, everything to gain" territory right now.

It's a good strategy.
 

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"I like China. See, they know how to keep people in line." - Sheldon
 

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"I like China. See, they know how to keep people in line." - Sheldon
Our Pinko Corporations that shipped millions of good paying Americans jobs to those Commies you all pal around with seem to agree!!!.....:rolleyes:
 

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I don't think that's what he said, I think you are being slimy and adding on your own claims like "regardless fo whether they make sense or not", to try and discredit what he said in a totally dishonest way. I think he was admiring the ability of Chinese leaders to do things that make sense without having to jump through a zillion regulatory hurdles and without having to pander to NIMBYism. .
Sorry Fuji, it was a SLAM DUNK. The fact that you are trying to spin this is really ridiculous. What you and I think is irrelevant. The words that he spoke
are well documented. If you accept that those were his exact words, then you have to accept that the meaning is quite clear. I did not bother to read the rest of
your post, because the only thing that rob ford.. sorry justin trudeau can say is "I screwed up when I said..... " Anything other than that is completely dishonest.

The fact that the words came out of his mouth and he did not think about the implications of them means that he is either not very bright, or he believes them.
Like your buddy rob ford, justin needs to acknowledge his mistake and move on.
 

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Blown out of proportion. Our system is tough to get things done. I can see why he would admire the efficiency. But that doesn't mean he is all for human rights violations.

Kinda like I admire micheal vicks athleticism but I would edit: not want him to care for my dog.
 

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Blown out of proportion. Our system is tough to get things done. I can see why he would admire the efficiency. But that doesn't mean he is all for human rights violations.

Kinda like I admire micheal vicks athleticism but I would want him to care for my dog.
Somebody gets it.
 

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Blown out of proportion. Our system is tough to get things done. I can see why he would admire the efficiency. But that doesn't mean he is all for human rights violations.
Agree. I believe that is what he meant. It is tough to get things done in our system because everybody has an agenda. Look how long it is taking to get Keystone XL approved.
Despite its many faults, China does get things done and it is highly unlikely that its government would ever shut done for 2 weeks like what happened in the U.S.
Also, how many democracies could ever implement a "one child" policy and/or stop borrowing money until they are insolvent?
 

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China is a huge creditor nation, how many democracies can say the same?
You don't know how right you are, credit in China has reached 200% of GDP - 45% of GDP is infrastructure spending (much by local governments with borrowed money).

Admiration of the Chinese Way will go the way of admiration for the Japanese way in the 80s.... Although to be fair, the Chinese are very pragmatic where the Japanese are not (as gross generalizations go).

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Admiration of the Chinese Way will go the way of admiration for the Japanese way in the 80s.... Although to be fair, the Chinese are very pragmatic where the Japanese are not (as gross generalizations go).
I think the Chinese have one advantage over the Japanese. Japan is a democracy (kind of) so they have to pacify the voters (do things that are popular but not necessarily wise).
 

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You don't know how right you are, credit in China has reached 200% of GDP - 45% of GDP is infrastructure spending (much by local governments with borrowed money).
Yes, there is internal debt but I think China has little if any external debt.
 

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Blown out of proportion. Our system is tough to get things done. I can see why he would admire the efficiency. But that doesn't mean he is all for human rights violations.

Kinda like I admire micheal vicks athleticism but I would edit: not want him to care for my dog.
That was a good try, but not the same thing. Vick's athleticism and his treatment of dogs are mutually exclusive.

Admiring China because it can get things done, or admiring their efficiency makes sense. But if you used your brain for
a second, then you will realize that their efficiency and their ability to get things done are mainly because they
can violate human rights or force people to do whatever they want. So if the communists say "we want a super highway built
thru downtown Toronto", they will forcibly remove people and business that hinder their plans.

So what Trudeau admires are a part and parcel of their ability to violate the basic rights that we take for granted.
Is it blown out of proportion? A little bit. So far Justin has not had a crack video moment, and at least he has not made his
weed dealer friend part of his staff. But the gaffes are starting to add up.
 

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Sorry Fuji, it was a SLAM DUNK. The fact that you are trying to spin this is really ridiculous. What you and I think is irrelevant. The words that he spoke
are well documented. If you accept that those were his exact words, then you have to accept that the meaning is quite clear. I did not bother to read the rest of
your post, because the only thing that rob ford.. sorry justin trudeau can say is "I screwed up when I said..... " Anything other than that is completely dishonest.

The fact that the words came out of his mouth and he did not think about the implications of them means that he is either not very bright, or he believes them.
Like your buddy rob ford, justin needs to acknowledge his mistake and move on.
Here are the words: "“There is a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say we need to go green, we need to start, you know, investing in solar. There is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must dream about: having a dictatorship where you can do whatever you wanted, that I find quite interesting.”

Nowhere in there does he say anything remotely like he supports China "because it can force its people to do things regardless of whether they make sense or not,whether they are good for people or not". You just blatantly lied. He gave positive examples of making changes that benefit people, and that make sense. You added the negative cases, Trudeau never said anything like that, you are a liar.
 
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