Toronto Maple Leafs 2013/14 Season

[Bargnani_]

OK. Let's hear why hiring a non-former Leaf is a bad thing, as you've implied.

Former Leafs would come from a losing heritage. Also, as to Barg's point, only a lifetime Leaf would not have to answer why didn't you come here or why did you leave?

Question ... Is Sundin who played in Toronto but the moment playoffs over he was back in Sweden or Shanny who was born and raised in Toronto and mother , brothers cousins etc still live in Toronto ... Who is more Torontorian ?

Why does playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs make you more Torontonian or why does it even matter .. Shanny may have never wore a Leaf Jersey but you can't be more linked to a City then being Born and raised in it ...

 

[Boober69]

OK. Let's hear why hiring a non-former Leaf is a bad thing, as you've implied.

Former Leafs would come from a losing heritage. Also, as to Barg's point, only a lifetime Leaf would not have to answer why didn't you come here or why did you leave?

I'm not sure where where you are getting me being for a former Leaf or not for this role? It's obvious you are missing my point more than Kulemin has missed the back of the net this year.

Let me spell it out for you, nice and simple like...
- it does not matter if the Leafs get a former Leaf for this role
- it does not matter if they get a non-former Leaf for this role
- it does matter that they get someone who has experience in this role
- the timing of this was meant to smother the ashes of the Leaf's season, ie "hey folks, don't look there...look here at who we hired!"

Hiring Shanahan was purely a PR move. They could have easily hired a former Leaf for the same reason. But hey, maybe even MLSE thought that would be too obvious.

 

[Bargnani_]

I'm not sure where where you are getting me being for a former Leaf or not for this role? It's obvious you are missing my point more than Kulemin has missed the back of the net this year.

Let me spell it out for you, nice and simple like...
- it does not matter if the Leafs get a former Leaf for this role
- it does not matter if they get a non-former Leaf for this role
- it does matter that they get someone who has experience in this role
- the timing of this was meant to smother the ashes of the Leaf's season, ie "hey folks, don't look there...look here at who we hired!"

Hiring Shanahan was purely a PR move. They could have easily hired a former Leaf for the same reason. But hey, maybe even MLSE thought that would be too obvious.

Do you think it a PR move or a Diversion ? Why do you need a PR move ? PR moves are usually done cause you need to sell seats ...

 

[elmo]

You guys think Bolland staying with the Leafs is more likely now with Shanahan in charge?

I think so. Before he got hurt, Bolland was the Leafs best center. On ice leadership in the center position. Bolland was good in all three areas of the ice. He plays a style of game that Don Cherry would like. So would Shanahan.

So you would keep a guy who was the best centre on a team that didn't make the playoffs...again. Aim high...

 

[mynameisearl11]

Steal this headline from today's Toronto Sun: How would you fix the Leafs?
Try not to think about winning the Cup just yet. Baby steps first,and it is easier said than done from showing progress and improvement from this team year over year. The long term plan is to ice a team that would get better every time they're on the ice. The key is to build a conistent playoffs team. If you could return this team to make a playoff 9 out of 10 times every Spring,you are doing a terrific job. For now, the Leafs brass are doing a good job of marketing the team by consistently put out news so that the team would always remain fresh in the mind of sports fans.

 

[Insidious Von]

I have the utmost respect for Shany and so does the hockey community. To succeed he'll need than a change of attitude, he'll need something that's been is short supply for the club over the years - luck, preferably the luck of the Irish. He may want to consider hiring hiring Gary Roberts as a strength and conditioning coach.

Best pf luck Brendan, I sincerely hope you don't end up like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXAH2DfRaHs

 

[Boober69]

Do you think it a PR move or a Diversion ? Why do you need a PR move ? PR moves are usually done cause you need to sell seats ...

Both.
PR encompasses everything regarding the interaction with the public. In this case, mainly their fans. PR is not just about selling seats. It's about everything to do with protecting the brand.

Diversion because of the timing, and bringing in someone to warm the hearts of hockey fans. Everyone respects Shanahan for his on-ice accomplishments. No one respects him for his business skills because that's not what he's known for and he has no experience in this role.

 

[Butler1000]

Do you think it a PR move or a Diversion ? Why do you need a PR move ? PR moves are usually done cause you need to sell seats ...

Seats? No. But eyeballs on the TV and buying cable packages? Well yes actually. They purchased all the sports they did partially for content to stop the bleeding of cable subscribers. And to create the opportunity for pay per view games in the long run(whether as one time pay package or for individual games I'm sure is in the works).

So once again I'll say it. The owners have a pretty good idea how to market and broadcast the product of hockey. The question is do they have the knowledge to ice a winning team.

So far we have our answer.

 

[Bargnani_]

The 2014 NHL Draft Lottery will be taking place tonight. You can watch it on TSN at 8pm. The ‪#‎Leafs‬ have a 3.6% chance of winning the lottery:

 

[smuddan]

Both.
PR encompasses everything regarding the interaction with the public. In this case, mainly their fans. PR is not just about selling seats. It's about everything to do with protecting the brand.

Diversion because of the timing, and bringing in someone to warm the hearts of hockey fans. Everyone respects Shanahan for his on-ice accomplishments. No one respects him for his business skills because that's not what he's known for and he has no experience in this role.

You hold such a negative view on the Leafs that you feel the need to criticize everything they do, but you're so obsessed and confused, resulting in actually praising the Leafs for " bring in someone to warm the hearts of hockey fans ".

To my understanding Shanahan was hired to run the hockey on ice operation only and as you noted, "everyone respects Shanahan for his on-ice accomplishments", and this credential is much more important than "business skills" for the job he's hired to do.

The position he's hired for is rather unique, and I don't even think the media and fans have a real understanding of the real motives of Leiweke behind such decision, and I dont suppose you have any experience on hiring top executives ? Yet haters like you want to bash it for no good reasons.

Experience tells me that the best way to deal with trolls like you is to put you on my ignore list and I know you'll beat me if I bring myself down to your level to argue with you. Feel free to have the last say, but this will be my last response to your posts.

 

[shack]

Question ... Is Sundin who played in Toronto but the moment playoffs over he was back in Sweden or Shanny who was born and raised in Toronto and mother , brothers cousins etc still live in Toronto ... Who is more Torontorian ?

Why does playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs make you more Torontonian or why does it even matter .. Shanny may have never wore a Leaf Jersey but you can't be more linked to a City then being Born and raised in it ...

Exactly. It makes no diff but boob made a point of saying "and he doesn't even have any heritage with the team". I am simply asking the same question, what difference does it make? He knows it makes no diff but it sounded like another way to criticize everything.Now he keeps dancing around my simple question and is even trying to play dumb.

As I said before, he is simply trolling. No desire to debate, just instigate.

 

[Bargnani_]

Exactly. It makes no diff but boob made a point of saying "and he doesn't even have any heritage with the team". I am simply asking the same question, what difference does it make? He knows it makes no diff but it sounded like another way to criticize everything.Now he keeps dancing around my simple question and is even trying to play dumb.

As I said before, he is simply trolling. No desire to debate, just instigate.

I don't care if the guy is even Canadian .. Just win !! We aren't the Canadians ... Hire the best man for the Job ..

 

[Boober69]

You hold such a negative view on the Leafs that you feel the need to criticize everything they do, but you're so obsessed and confused, resulting in actually praising the Leafs for " bring in someone to warm the hearts of hockey fans ".

To my understanding Shanahan was hired to run the hockey on ice operation only and as you noted, "everyone respects Shanahan for his on-ice accomplishments", and this credential is much more important than "business skills" for the job he's hired to do.

The position he's hired for is rather unique, and I don't even think the media and fans have a real understanding of the real motives of Leiweke behind such decision, and I dont suppose you have any experience on hiring top executives ? Yet haters like you want to bash it for no good reasons.

Experience tells me that the best way to deal with trolls like you is to put you on my ignore list and I know you'll beat me if I bring myself down to your level to argue with you. Feel free to have the last say, but this will be my last response to your posts.

Wow! Such animosity. Must be the start of the annual Leafless-post season so I totally understand your frustration. So work with me here and we can get through this.

Can you name me one other multi-million/billion dollar company that hires a president of "-insert anything here-" who has zero experience or track record in a similar role?
Also, can you name me a company that hires someone at that level and does not have a clear and specific job description to share with the public?
If any other similar publicly traded company would do this, their shareholders would freak-out and the stock would take a nose dive.
Jeezuz!

 

[Boober69]

Exactly. It makes no diff but boob made a point of saying "and he doesn't even have any heritage with the team". I am simply asking the same question, what difference does it make? He knows it makes no diff but it sounded like another way to criticize everything.Now he keeps dancing around my simple question and is even trying to play dumb.

As I said before, he is simply trolling. No desire to debate, just instigate.

OMG...you just scored a "Missing the Point" Hat Trick!!!!

I'm not sure what you mean by "no desire to debate", I've responded to all of your posts and have broken things down to such a basic level for you that the next step would be drawing pictures.

I'm not even sure you are reading my posts or maybe just reading a few words here & there. Where have I ever said that it makes a difference either way if the guy in this role is an ex-Leaf or not? I've even stated that it doesn't matter.
All I ever said was "AT THE VERY LEAST" if the person WAS an ex-Leaf then it would lend to more of a reason to hire them than someone else. Meaning: a stretch. But it doesn't really matter because this is all a diversion anyway. THAT is my point.
Why do you insist on latching on to the smallest detail, misconstrue it, and then have the nerve to call me a troll?
I would REALLY like this all sorted off before the playoffs start...I have to watch my team!
You know what that's like right?
Help me out here.
BTW Panthers got the 1st draft pick. Really sorry about that.

 

[Ironhead]

So are you a business man or are you a fan? Pick one.

In any other business, you can not expect to charge more and make more if the product is not as good as someone else's product. Raptors have been mediocre and have had a good year this year and suddenly that justifies raising ticket prices? For some reason, MLSE knows they have a cult of fans who will pay whatever they want them to pay.

So are you a business man/consumer? If yes, you should see there is not enough value to justify the high prices as in my argument above.

Or are you a fan? If yes, then why support an organization that is taking advantage of you?

This is the 2nd time you guys have said something about hearing back from me or engaging in a debate, "if he refuses..."???. What's up with that exactly? Have I refused to be engaged here or are you desperately looking to distract from the real points I'm making? The best defense is a good offence perhaps?
Don't worry ladies, I won't leave you just yet.
I have 46+ years of arguments to offer.

Wow! Such animosity. Must be the start of the annual Leafless-post season so I totally understand your frustration. So work with me here and we can get through this.

Can you name me one other multi-million/billion dollar company that hires a president of "-insert anything here-" who has zero experience or track record in a similar role?
Also, can you name me a company that hires someone at that level and does not have a clear and specific job description to share with the public?
If any other similar publicly traded company would do this, their shareholders would freak-out and the stock would take a nose dive.
Jeezuz!

Why can I not be both a business man and a fan ?

In any other business ... stop there ... there is no other 'business' like sports. Do not try to compare apples to diesel engines.

Now switching to Raps, I thought this was about the Leafs ? Anyway, every team raises tickets prices for playoffs.

You want to talk, argue, discuss, whatever but you refuse to answer questions or acknowledge points from Leaf fans.

46 years of ... what ? That is fact which you try to pawn off as your point.
I am a Leafs fan. I am more then aware they have not won since '67. FACT.

No need to name any other business because no business is like sports.
No one pays to watch the everyday business of life.



You also repeat yourself over and over.


What are your points one more time please ?
This time omit historical facts please.

 

[lovelatinas]

Leafs are picking 8th. Any ideas who the Leafs might pick? I think size and a good two way power forward, someone like Lucic. If they go with a defensemen the kid from Red Deer, Fleury I think his name is, looks good he is big, moves the puck and great in his own zone. Mind you these kids are not NHL ready, so most likely another year in junior and 2-3 years in the AHL, don't rush the prospects.

 

[shack]

BTW Panthers got the 1st draft pick. Really sorry about that.

A waste of time trying to have an intelligent discussion with a troll.

 

[Boober69]

Why can I not be both a business man and a fan ?

In any other business ... stop there ... there is no other 'business' like sports. Do not try to compare apples to diesel engines.

Now switching to Raps, I thought this was about the Leafs ? Anyway, every team raises tickets prices for playoffs.

You want to talk, argue, discuss, whatever but you refuse to answer questions or acknowledge points from Leaf fans.

46 years of ... what ? That is fact which you try to pawn off as your point.
I am a Leafs fan. I am more then aware they have not won since '67. FACT.

No need to name any other business because no business is like sports.
No one pays to watch the everyday business of life.



You also repeat yourself over and over.


What are your points one more time please ?
This time omit historical facts please.

Funny...I asked 2 questions in the post you quoted and you didn't answer them...but here you are saying I don't answer questions. Nice.
Also funny...you say I repeat myself but you repeated yourself in your post..."no business like sports". So are you the kettle or the pot? I'm losing track.
Raps, Leafs...it's all MLSE...try to follow the program here and not get lost in the minor details. Big picture remember.
Find one question I have "refused to answer please".

Business is business.
You can fool yourself and say there is no business like sports (you repeated yourself with that statement remember)...but the essence of any business is the same: sell a product or service and make money.

Example: There are people out there that prefer one brand of automobile to another. Reasons such as brand, heritage, performance, price, value, etc etc. If your preferred brand of automobile suddenly didn't perform as well year after year, yet became more and more expensive, chances are you would switch to another brand that offers more value or you would tell them that you refuse to buy another car from them until the product improves. Eventually that company would either have to make improvements to its product (ie quality, price, value, etc) or fold.

If a movie franchise you loved started making crappy movies, people would stop paying to watch the sequels.
If your favourite pizza joint started letting the quality of their pizza slide, you would stop ordering from there.

So when it comes to MLSE, you are paying to watch a product that has essentially been substandard for decades yet has become more and more expensive to watch.

A business man would see this as a bad investment.
A fan would see this as supporting his team no matter what.

Are you a fan or a business man? Pick one.
Picking both is a contradiction in itself.

 

[tribunus]

Leafs are picking 8th. Any ideas who the Leafs might pick? I think size and a good two way power forward, someone like Lucic. If they go with a defensemen the kid from Red Deer, Fleury I think his name is, looks good he is big, moves the puck and great in his own zone. Mind you these kids are not NHL ready, so most likely another year in junior and 2-3 years in the AHL, don't rush the prospects.

Let's take it easy with young flashy defencemen. We're still waiting on Gardiner's supposedly amazing potential. Rielly is a good prospect but listening to Leafs fans & management you'd think he's the next coming of Bobby Orr. I'd like to see them get a farward like Richie or Dal Colle, but I doubt either will be there at 8.

They also need to gamble a bit with their 1st rounder. Guys like Percy & Biggs in 2011, and Gauthier in 2013 were all safe picks with low potential. They don't need any more 4th liners and 6th defencemen.

 

[Ironhead]

Funny...I asked 2 questions in the post you quoted and you didn't answer them...but here you are saying I don't answer questions. Nice.
Also funny...you say I repeat myself but you repeated yourself in your post..."no business like sports". So are you the kettle or the pot? I'm losing track.
Raps, Leafs...it's all MLSE...try to follow the program here and not get lost in the minor details. Big picture remember.
Find one question I have "refused to answer please".

Business is business.
You can fool yourself and say there is no business like sports (you repeated yourself with that statement remember)...but the essence of any business is the same: sell a product or service and make money.

Example: There are people out there that prefer one brand of automobile to another. Reasons such as brand, heritage, performance, price, value, etc etc. If your preferred brand of automobile suddenly didn't perform as well year after year, yet became more and more expensive, chances are you would switch to another brand that offers more value or you would tell them that you refuse to buy another car from them until the product improves. Eventually that company would either have to make improvements to its product (ie quality, price, value, etc) or fold.

If a movie franchise you loved started making crappy movies, people would stop paying to watch the sequels.
If your favourite pizza joint started letting the quality of their pizza slide, you would stop ordering from there.

So when it comes to MLSE, you are paying to watch a product that has essentially been substandard for decades yet has become more and more expensive to watch.

A business man would see this as a bad investment.
A fan would see this as supporting his team no matter what.

Are you a fan or a business man? Pick one.
Picking both is a contradiction in itself.

lol
Backs out again. This is no use.
Trying to be funny. :blah:




I forgot about the draft lottery thing ... I see Florida bumped Buffalo to second.

1. Florida Panthers

2. Buffalo Sabres

3. Edmonton Oilers

4. Calgary Flames

5. New York Islanders

6. Vancouver Canucks

7. Carolina Hurricanes

8. Toronto Maple Leafs

9. Winnipeg Jets

10. Anaheim Ducks (from Ottawa Senators)

11. Nashville Predators

12. Phoenix Coyotes

13. Washington Capitals