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Ironhead

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Would you trade Kadri for Kesler ?
No.
Kesler for Kadri would add to the cap when the Leafs are trying to make room for Bolland.

Now in general terms ... it is something I might consider but I am not sure.
I doubt it, my opinion, because the Leafs are not close enough to trade youth for a veteran.
 

Ironhead

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Yes but Canucks would have to agree to pick up half his salary($5,000,000) for the balance of this season and all of next.
Probably not happening
Like I said Dawg I do not think the Leafs are at the 'trade youth for vets' stage yet, however Kesler has two more seasons left.
Do the Leafs take the full load of the final year of the contract ?
 

Dawgger

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Like I said Dawg I do not think the Leafs are at the 'trade youth for vets' stage yet, however Kesler has two more seasons left.
Do the Leafs take the full load of the final year of the contract ?
You would probably have to do that to make it work, you might be able to get them to eat 1.000,000 of the final year.
Kadri is young but I find hum to be very inconsistent and he will be looking for a big raise next year which may not work under the cap. This way you have a player under contract and it won't hurt your cap.
I really think the Canucks want more than Kadri for Kessler, which means draft picks and maybe someone off the Marlies. I would not be too thrilled about giving up an early round pick and if they insist on a#1 that kills the deal. Kessler also has a no movement clause so he may veto a trade here.
 

smuddan

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You would probably have to do that to make it work, you might be able to get them to eat 1.000,000 of the final year.
Kadri is young but I find hum to be very inconsistent and he will be looking for a big raise next year which may not work under the cap. This way you have a player under contract and it won't hurt your cap.
I really think the Canucks want more than Kadri for Kessler, which means draft picks and maybe someone off the Marlies. I would not be too thrilled about giving up an early round pick and if they insist on a#1 that kills the deal. Kessler also has a no movement clause so he may veto a trade here.
I asked this question because the Canucks were said to have keen interest in Kadri going back to the Luongo trade rumours last year, and now Kesler has supposedly asked to be traded. Other players (Kulemin ?) will likely have to involved to make it work.

From the Leafs' standpoint, a second line of Kesler-Bolland-Lupul would certainly be a nice compliment to the Kessel-Bozak-JVR line and can potentially form a formidable one two punch for the stretch drive. Kessler is the better player today, and I kinda think that he's the type of players that the Leafs need to play against the Bruins.
 

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they blew since 1967, why should 2014 be any different, unless the rest of the teams forfeit.

What's with Toronto, 3 major league teams, they all do well financially and they all suck?
 

Ironhead

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You would probably have to do that to make it work, you might be able to get them to eat 1.000,000 of the final year.
Kadri is young but I find hum to be very inconsistent and he will be looking for a big raise next year which may not work under the cap. This way you have a player under contract and it won't hurt your cap.
I really think the Canucks want more than Kadri for Kessler, which means draft picks and maybe someone off the Marlies. I would not be too thrilled about giving up an early round pick and if they insist on a#1 that kills the deal. Kessler also has a no movement clause so he may veto a trade here.
Agree, no way a first goes in a deal for Kesler, at least for Kesler alone.
I can be talked into Kadri, a player(not top two d prospects) off the Marlies and maybe as high as a second for Kesler and a Canucks third or fourth. If we are giving up a prospect and a pick we are getting something else back.
 

shack

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I don't think Kesler is a good fit for the Leafs.

His name is too similar to Kessel. Too much potential for confusion.
 

Ironhead

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Leafs in Montreal tonight.

Fourth of five meetings
Leafs 4 -3 Season opener
4-2 loss
Leafs 5-3

Price will not dress for Montreal which means the Leafs get Budja.
Bolland still not ready for game action.

Aside from the game I will watch the trade front over the next few days because I think the Leafs will do something, it may be minor.



GO LEAFS !
 

lovelatinas

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The Habs have no business winning that game. Only because of the fucking shit calls by the refs, the game was practically handed to the HABS. The Leafs had the momentum and were going to win in OT or shootout. At least the Leafs fought back and got a point and hopefully the calls start going our way.
 

shack

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Bern#1er. Bern#1er. Takes the OT penalty and gives up the PP goal.

He's been consistent since the Olympics.
 

smuddan

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How long will Carlyle allow Jake Gardiner to screw things up for the team ? How many more give always does Carlyle need to see before he nails him to the bench until the game's out of reach either way ?

The Leafs might have a few point cushion for a playoff spot, but there are at least 4 teams that can knock the Leafs out within a 2-3 game span as the Leafs would lose the tie breaker against any of these teams with their low ROW. I don't think the Leafs can afford to have points thrown away because of Gardiner's repeated stupid mistakes.
 

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How long will Carlyle allow Jake Gardiner to screw things up for the team ? How many more give always does Carlyle need to see before he nails him to the bench until the game's out of reach either way ?

The Leafs might have a few point cushion for a playoff spot, but there are at least 4 teams that can knock the Leafs out within a 2-3 game span as the Leafs would lose the tie breaker against any of these teams with their low ROW. I don't think the Leafs can afford to have points thrown away because of Gardiner's repeated stupid mistakes.
geez you say that like jake,s the only one.
 

superstar_88

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Bolland is a 2nd line center now?
They paid Clarkson to be the 2nd line winger.
They'd have to rid Clarkson if they're going to get Kessler.
Otherwise you'd have an overpaid 3rd line winger for many years to come.
That is a disaster.
 

smuddan

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geez you say that like jake,s the only one.
You're right, everybody makes mistakes, particularly in the Islanders game, it was a total team effort; but most of the them contributed positively in other ways. Gardiner has been making the same kind of bonehead mistakes all season long without much contribution and there's no sign of improvement anytime soon.

A lot Leaf fans see high potential in him but I think its the typical overblown optimism on any Leaf rookie. While I understand it takes patience to develop young defencemen, I've lost confidence in him to the point that when I see him on the ice in close games, I'd expect something bad to happen and it usually did. If the Leafs were bottom feeders like they were in years past, I'd have no problem even if they played him 30 minutes a game, but they're practically in a life and death situation for a playoff spot, and I don't want to be in a situation by season end where we look back and say " we could have made it with just one less mistake..."
 

Ironhead

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With the exception of some dumb mistakes the Leafs have not been too bad. Without the mistakes they may come away with three or even all four points this weekend.
I did not like the call against Gleason which led to Montreal tying the game. The OT penalty .... well it is in the rulebook so ...

Tonight it is Columbus, at least there is no Nash to worry about anymore.
 

gcostanza

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didn,t Columbus trash them 6-0 at the acc last time they played.... without nash?
November 25th, 6-0 Columbus, no Nash to be found.

Columbus is a pretty good hockey club, they're in the group of 6 teams fighting for the last 2 playoff spots.
 
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